KORSMO, C.J.

¶ 1 Mr. Unters Love challenges his conviction for six counts of second degree theft and one count of bail jumping on the basis that the court erred in considering his challenges for cause at sidebar during jury selection. He also argues that he should have been present at the sidebar conference and that a postdated check that was cancelled before it came due had no value under our theft statute. We conclude that the court did not close the courtroom, Mr. Love has not shown that his due process claim was manifest, and that the check did have value at the time it was acquired. Accordingly, we affirm the convictions.

FACTS

¶ 2 The noted charges were filed in three different cause numbers, but all of the matters proceeded to a single jury trial. Mr. Love was represented by counsel, although their relationship appeared on the record to be strained on occasion.

¶ 3 At the conclusion of voir dire, the trial judge called the attorneys forward for a bench conference to discuss challenges for cause; the record does not reflect whether Mr. Love joined the conference. Defense counsel challenged jurors 15 and 30 for cause; the prosecutor had no objection and the court struck the two jurors for cause. Counsel also discussed three other jurors, but no challenges were raised to those jurors after it appeared they were too far down the list to end up serving on the panel. Counsel also both assented to the trial judge's suggestion that two alternates be used. The court reporter then noted that the bench conference concluded.

¶ 4 At that point, the transcript reads: "(Peremptory challenge process is being conducted.)" The judge explained to the jurors that this process "generally takes a couple minutes, so if you want to stand and stretch, talk quietly amongst yourselves, feel free." Report of Proceedings (RP) at 134. The record of jurors shows that the prosecutor exercised one peremptory challenge. Defense counsel waived his peremptory challenges and the prosecutor waived further challenges. Both declined to strike any alternate jurors.1

¶ 5 After the judge's remarks inviting the jurors to relax, the transcript reports: "(Peremptory challenges continuing.)" RP at 134. The next line of the report of proceedings contains the beginning of the following exchange:

RP at 135.

¶ 6 The essence of the charges against Mr. Love was that he would advertise and sign leases with people for residences that he did not own and collect their down payments for himself. One of the counts at trial involved a victim, Ms. L. who gave him a postdated check along with a $500 money order. She had second thoughts about the transaction and cancelled the check before the date on the check; Mr. Love never presented the check to the bank. Ms. L. never saw the money order again.

¶ 7 The jury convicted Mr. Love as charged. The court imposed a standard range sentence term. Mr. Love then timely appealed to this court. After the decision in State v. Sublett, 176 Wn.2d 58, 292 P.3d 715 (2012), the parties provided supplemental briefing concerning that case at our direction.

ANALYSIS

¶ 8 This appeal presents a public trial claim concerning challenges for cause occurring at a sidebar conference and a due process claim arising from Mr. Love's absence from the sidebar conference. Mr. Love also challenges the sufficiency of the evidence to support the conviction for theft involving Ms. L. We will address the three challenges in the noted order.2

Public Trial

¶ 9 Mr. Love contends that the court violated his Washington Constitution article I, section 22 public trial rights by hearing his challenges for cause at sidebar. He also contends that the court erroneously conducted the peremptory challenges at sidebar as well. As to the latter claim, we do not believe the record factually supports the argument. The transcript clearly showed that the sidebar conference ended at the conclusion of the challenges for cause. The peremptory challenge process then began. The record simply does not suggest that the peremptory challenge process continued at sidebar after the reporter stopped reporting it.3 However, our analysis would not change even if the peremptory challenges had also been taken at sidebar. There was no improper closure of the courtroom.

¶ 10 Art. I, § 22 guarantees a criminal defendant many trial rights, including the right to "a speedy public trial by an impartial jury." The meaning of the "public trial" right has been heavily litigated the past several years. In an overly simplified form, it is error under § 22 to "close" the courtroom to any aspect of a criminal trial that is required to be "open." Whether or not a courtroom was properly closed is adjudged by application of the five factor test set forth in State v. Bone-Club, 128 Wn.2d 254, 261, 906 P.2d 325 (1995). Whether or not a particular portion of a proceeding was required to be held in public is determined by use of the "experience and logic" test. Sublett, 176 Wash.2d at 141, 292 P.3d 715.4 Jury selection in a criminal case is considered part of the public trial right and is typically open to the public. State v. Strode, 167 Wn.2d 222, 227, 217 P.3d 310 (2009).

¶ 11 As explained in the lead Sublett opinion, the "experience and logic" test requires courts to assess the necessity for closure by consideration of both history (experience) and the purposes of the open trial provision (logic). Sublett, 176 Wash.2d at 73, 292 P.3d 715. The experience prong asks whether the practice in question historically has been open to the public, while the logic prong asks whether public access is significant to the functioning of the right. Id. If both prongs are answered affirmatively, then the Bone-Club test must be applied before the court can close the courtroom. Id.

¶ 12 The prosecutor argues that there was no closure at all because the peremptory and cause challenges were all conducted in the open courtroom in the presence of the venire and any other spectators who may have been present. While the clarity and simplicity of such a bright line rule is appealing, we will leave that issue to another day when it has been thoroughly briefed from a wider perspective. We note that other states have concepts of "limited closure" that may be suggestive to Washington courts in this context. See, e.g., Commonwealth v. Cohen, 456 Mass. 94, 921 N.E.2d 906 (2010) (citing cases). As the prosecutor duly noted, at least one state has expressly addressed sidebar conferences in the open courtroom context. E.g., People v. Virgil, 51 Cal.4th 1210, 126 Cal.Rptr.3d 465, 253 P.3d 553 (2011). Since we reach the same result by use of the experience and logic test in this case, we will not address further whether a sidebar conference constitutes a closure, but will assume that is in fact the case here.

¶ 13 The experience prong requires that we look at historic practices. Mr. Love argues that because cause and peremptory challenges are part of jury selection, a process that is normally open, the exercise of those challenges must be done openly rather than at sidebar. We believe this focus is too narrow. The argument here is that the sidebar conference violated our open courtroom norms because of what occurred at that conference. The focus thus has to be on whether the activities occurring at that conference were those normally required to be conducted in public. If Mr. Love had argued more generally that having any sidebar conference during jury selection violated § 22, then his broader focus would be a bit closer to the mark and we would look to historic practices in the use of sidebar conferences. However, his specific argument is that cause and peremptory challenge's were erroneously conducted at sidebar. We therefore have to apply the experience and logic test to those practices.5

¶ 14 Neither party cites any authority suggesting that challenges for cause are normally made in public. Challenges for cause, which have existed from our early territorial statutes, typically present solely a legal issue, i.e., has the statutory standard been satisfied?6 A peremptory challenge is one for which no reason need exist and rests in the discretion of the parties. Again, there is no evidence suggesting that historical practices required these challenges to be made in public. Most parties, in fact, would probably rather not have a challenge for cause made in the presence of the juror in case the challenge failed and the juror might serve knowing the identity of a party that had not wanted him or her to serve.

¶ 15 Our research discloses one case in which the defense challenged the "use of secret — written — peremptory jury challenges." State v. Thomas, 16 Wn.App. 1, 13, 553 P.2d 1357 (1976). Discerning no prejudice to the defendant from the process, and noting that the process was used in several counties, the court rejected the argument for having "no merit." Id. Although suggestive that there may have been an "open" peremptory challenge process in use in other places, Thomas is strong evidence that peremptory challenges can be conducted in private.

¶ 16 Also somewhat suggestive is Sublett itself. There the court faced a public trial challenge to the trial court's having answered a written jury question in chambers. Applying the experience and logic test, the court determined that jury questions had historically not been answered in open court and that logically there was no need to do so since answering the question in public did not further the purposes of the public trial guarantee. Sublett, 176 Wash.2d at 75-77, 292 P.3d 715. The use of a written question and answer created a public record that furthered the public trial right. Id. at 77, 292 P.3d 715.

¶ 17 The history review confirms that in over 140 years of cause and peremptory challenges in this state, there is little evidence of the public exercise of such challenges, and some evidence that they are conducted privately. Our experience does not require that the exercise of these challenges be conducted in public.

¶ 18 Similarly, the logic prong does not indicate that the challenges need to be conducted in public. The purposes of the public trial right are

State v. Brightman, 155 Wn.2d 506, 514, 122 P.3d 150 (2005).

¶ 19 Those purposes simply are not furthered by a party's actions in exercising a peremptory challenge or in seeking a cause challenge of a potential juror. The first action presents no questions of public oversight, and the second typically presents issues of law for the judge to decide.7 The written record of these actions — the clerk's written juror record and the court reporter's transcription of the cause challenges at sidebar — satisfies the public's interest in the case and assures that all activities were conducted aboveboard, even if not within public earshot. The alternative is to excuse all jurors from the courtroom while legal arguments take place in public concerning a juror's perceived bias. We do not believe the public trial right requires the use of two rooms in order to facilitate the defendant's challenge to some jurors for cause.

¶ 20 Neither prong of the experience and logic test suggests that the exercise of cause or peremptory challenges must take place in public. Mr. Love needed to establish that both aspects of that test required that the courtroom be open. The written record protected the public's interest in Mr. Love's cause challenges8 and the prosecutor's peremptory challenge. Sublett, 176 Wash.2d at 77, 292 P.3d 715.

¶ 21 The experience and logic test confirms that the trial court did not erroneously close the courtroom by hearing the defendant's for cause challenges at sidebar, nor would it have been error to consider the peremptory challenge in that manner if the court had done so. The sidebar conference did not close the courtroom.

Defendant's Presence at Sidebar

¶ 22 Mr. Love also contends that his due process rights were violated by hearing his for cause challenges at sidebar without his personal presence. He has not established that there was manifest constitutional error allowing him to raise this claim for the first time on appeal.

¶ 23 A criminal defendant has a due process right to be present at all critical stages of his criminal trial. State v. Irby, 170 Wn.2d 874, 246 P.3d 796 (2011). This includes the voir dire and empanelling stages of the trial. Id. at 883-84, 246 P.3d 796.

¶ 24 However, Mr. Love did not contest the use of the sidebar procedure to hear his challenges for cause. The general rule in Washington is that appellate courts will not hear challenges that were not presented to the trial court. RAP 2.5(a). An exception is made for issues of "manifest error affecting a constitutional right." RAP 2.5(a)(3). Such issues may be raised if the record is sufficient to adjudicate them. State v. McFarland, 127 Wn.2d 322, 333, 899 P.2d 1251 (1995). The alleged error must both be of constitutional nature and be "manifest" in the sense that it actually prejudiced the defendant. Id.

¶ 25 Mr. Love has not established that the alleged constitutional error was manifest because he has not shown that he was prejudiced by the process.9 He was present beside his counsel during the information gathering phase of voir dire and apparently had the opportunity to provide any input necessary to whether to pursue any challenges for cause. His counsel then successfully challenged two jurors for cause, and the parties discussed but did not need to reach the qualifications of three other jurors who would not make it on to the panel. Having succeeded in his cause challenges at the sidebar conference, he simply cannot show how he was prejudiced by the procedure.

¶ 26 His due process claim therefore is not manifest error. Accordingly, Mr. Love cannot pursue that claim for the first time in this court. RAP 2.5(a)(3); McFarland, 127 Wash.2d at 333, 899 P.2d 1251.

Value of a Cancelled, Postdated Check

¶ 27 Lastly, Mr. Love argues that there is insufficient evidence of his second degree theft conviction involving Ms. L. because the postdated check had no value and the money order that he took was valued below the second degree theft limit. The Washington Supreme Court has already decided this issue in an older case that is still applicable to the modern statute.

¶ 28 Second degree theft is committed (as charged in this case) when a defendant takes property or services having a value in excess of $750 belonging to another. RCW 9A.56.020(1)(b); RCW 9A.56.040. The word "value" typically means the market value of the property in the area at the time of the crime, and with respect to checks, the value "shall be deemed the amount due or collectible thereon or thereby, that figure ordinarily being the face amount of the indebtedness less any portion thereof which has been satisfied." RCW 9A.56.010(21).

¶ 29 Seizing upon the "ordinarily" clause of the quoted material, Mr. Love argues that the postdated nature of the check in question, which was then cancelled before the date on the instrument, meant that the face value of the check was no longer sufficient to support the valuation. His arguments require us to decide if either cancellation or postdating effects the face value of an instrument. We conclude that the answer is "no" in both cases.

¶ 30 The cancellation issue was previously decided in State v. Easton, 69 Wn.2d 965, 422 P.2d 7 (1966). There a stolen check with a face value of $95 was cancelled before the defendant had the opportunity to attempt to cash it. Id. at 967, 422 P.2d 7. Former RCW 9.54.100 (1965) provided (in part) that the value of an instrument "shall be deemed the amount due thereon or secured thereby." Easton, 69 Wash.2d at 970, 422 P.2d 7 (quoting statute). The court noted both that the statutory definition of value was not affected by the cancellation and that the cancellation did not affect the negotiability of the check. Id. at 970-71, 422 P.2d 7.

¶ 31 The quoted language of former RCW 9.54.100 is similar to the modern definition of RCW 9A.56.010(21)(b). State v. Lampley, 136 Wn.App. 836, 841, 151 P.3d 1001 (2006). Both statutes describe value in terms of what the instrument states on its face. Neither definition mentions cancellation as an exception to the face value rule. As did the Easton court under the former statute, we conclude that the cancellation of a stolen check does not alter its face value under RCW 9A.56.010(21)(b). The value of the check given to Mr. Love was established when it was created and was not affected by the subsequent cancellation.

¶ 32 Mr. Love also argues that because the check was postdated, it had a value of zero when he acquired it. For several reasons, we again disagree. First, nothing in the definition of "value" under the statute speaks to the date the obligation comes due. Rather, it is strictly defined in terms of the face value of the obligation less any payments made. Second, even an instrument with a future maturity date has current value, although perhaps at a discounted rate. Our bond markets operate on that principle.

¶ 33 Third, the Uniform Commercial Code (UCC) recognizes that postdated checks do create liability and are negotiable. Even though an instrument is not payable on demand until the stated date,10 the modern practice is to pay a check when it is presented unless the drawer has expressly advised the bank not to pay until the date of the check. RCW 62A.4-401(c). This is to accommodate automated check cashing systems. See RCWA 62A.4-401 U.C.C. cmt. 3, at 331.

¶ 34 On the basis of these UCC provisions, Division One of this court upheld a forgery conviction involving a postdated check in State v. Young, 97 Wn.App. 235, 984 P.2d 1050 (1999). There the defendant had photocopied several checks made out to him and presented the photocopies, at different times, to a check cashing store. One of the checks was presented two days before the date of the check. Id. at 237-38, 984 P.2d 1050. Considering the noted UCC provisions, particularly RCW 62A.4-401(c), the court concluded that the postdated check did create a legal liability and upheld the forgery conviction. Id. at 239-40, 984 P.2d 1050.

¶ 35 Accordingly, we conclude that neither the postdating of the check by Ms. L. nor its subsequent cancellation invalidated the check. Mr. Love received an instrument of value when he deceived Ms. L. into giving it to him. Accordingly, the evidence was sufficient to support that count.

¶ 36 The convictions are affirmed.

WE CONCUR: KULIK and SIDDOWAY, JJ.