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 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
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                   Appeal from the United States District Court
                  for the Southern District of Ohio at Cincinnati.
               No. 06-00009—Sandra S. Beckwith, District Judge.
                               Argued: November 30, 2009
                          Decided and Filed: March 19, 2010
                 Before: GUY, SUTTON and GRIFFIN, Circuit Judges.

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                                       COUNSEL
ARGUED: Saber W. VanDetta, SQUIRE, SANDERS & DEMPSEY L.L.P., Cleveland,
Ohio, for Appellant. Benjamin C. Glassman, ASSISTANT UNITED STATES
ATTORNEY, Cincinnati, Ohio, for Appellee. ON BRIEF: Saber W. VanDetta, J. Philip
Calabrese, Bruce A. Khula, SQUIRE, SANDERS & DEMPSEY L.L.P., Cleveland, Ohio,
for Appellant. Benjamin C. Glassman, ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY,
Cincinnati, Ohio, for Appellee.
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                                        OPINION
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        SUTTON, Circuit Judge. Markeith Turner challenges his convictions for seven
drug- and gun-related crimes and the sentence that followed. Because Turner’s indictment
on two counts took longer than the Speedy Trial Act allows, we reverse these two
convictions but otherwise affirm the remaining five convictions. We also vacate his sentence
and remand to the district court for resentencing.



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No. 07-3481           United States v. Turner                                         Page 2


                                                I.

        After hearing gunshots on the evening of February 11, 2005, Officer Jason Rees of
the Cincinnati Police Department rushed on foot toward the sound. Along the way, Rees
noticed Markeith Turner, who had been walking toward him but changed directions and
started walking in the opposite direction when he saw Rees. Rees followed Turner into a
building, where Turner climbed the stairs, turned down a hallway and started banging on a
door at the end of the hallway. “Let me see your hands,” Rees ordered, and Turner
complied, after which Rees handcuffed him. Trial Tr. at 2-81.

        Meanwhile, Officer Kenneth Kilgore caught up with Rees and Turner, and found a
handgun and what turned out to be crack cocaine and heroin lying on the floor where Turner
had stood. Searching Turner, Kilgore found eight bullets wrapped in a handkerchief in his
back pocket. At the station, Turner admitted that he had been holding the drugs—though
for someone else, not for himself—and that he had fired the gun because “he had seen some
drug dealers drive by and it made him paranoid” and he had hoped to “scare them out of the
area.” 

        In April 2005, the United States charged Turner by complaint with being a felon in
possession of a firearm and being a felon in possession of ammunition. See 18 U.S.C.
§ 922(g). After a lengthy examination to determine his competency, Turner was indicted for,
then went to trial on, these two counts plus eight more: possession of a handgun in a school
zone, see 18 U.S.C. § 922(q)(2)(A), possession with intent to distribute crack cocaine and
heroin, see 21 U.S.C. § 841(a)(1), (b)(1)(C), being a fugitive in possession of a firearm and
in possession of ammunition, see 18 U.S.C. § 922(g), being a person under indictment in
possession of a firearm and in possession of ammunition, see 

and discharging
a firearm during a drug-trafficking crime, see 

(iii).

        The jury convicted Turner on all counts save for possession with intent to distribute
crack cocaine, and the district court dismissed the two fugitive-in-possession counts for lack
of admissible evidence on his fugitive status. The court sentenced him to 382 months on the
remaining seven counts.
No. 07-3481         United States v. Turner                                             Page 3


                                              II.

        Turner first argues that the government’s delay in indicting him requires us to
dismiss two of the charges. The government allowed too much time to pass, he maintains,
between his arrest on June 1, 2005, and his indictment on January 18, 2006, breaching its
obligation under the indictment prong of the Speedy Trial Act. See 18 U.S.C. § 3161(b).

        Under the Act, the government has thirty days to indict an individual after arresting
him, see 

Act contains many exclusions. Two matter here. One excludes
“delay resulting from any proceeding, including any examinations, to determine the mental
competency . . . of the defendant.” 

The other excludes

        delay resulting from transportation of any defendant . . . to and from places
        of examination or hospitalization, except that any time consumed in excess
        of ten days from the date [of] an order of removal or an order directing such
        transportation, and the defendant’s arrival at the destination shall be
        presumed to be unreasonable.

        In this case, the district court excluded “the entire delay” between the request for a
competency evaluation and the competency hearing, reasoning that the competency-
examination exclusion of § 3161(h)(1)(A) trumped the ten-day limit on transportation time
of § 3161(h)(1)(F). R.31 at 7. The court reached this conclusion because it believed—quite
reasonably—that United States v. Murphy, 

(6th Cir. 2001), required as much.

        After the district court relied on Murphy for this point, this court determined that the
relevant language in Murphy was dictum, holding instead that any “delay in transporting a
defendant to a mental competency examination beyond the ten day limit imposed by
§ 3161(h)(1)(F) is presumptively unreasonable, and in the absence of rebutting evidence to
explain the additional delay, this extra time is not excludable.” United States v. Tinklenberg,

, 596 & n.2 (6th Cir. 2009). Tinklenberg reasoned that the alternative
interpretation—one that would exclude transportation time under § 3161(h)(1)(A) but not
limit it under § 3161(h)(1)(F)—would effectively read the latter provision out of the statute.

see Bloate v. United States, ___ U.S. ___, No. 08-728, slip op. at 8 n.9 (Mar. 10,
2010) (rejecting an interpretation of the Speedy Trial Act that would “render[]” a provision
No. 07-3481           United States v. Turner                                                Page 4


of the Act “a nullity”). “The only way to avoid conflict” between those two provisions, we
held, “is to read § 3161(h)(1)(F) as a specific exception to the general rule announced in
§ 3161(h)(1)(A),” imposing a presumptive limit of ten days for transportation on the
otherwise unlimited time for competency 

; see Bloate, slip. op. at
10 (“[a] specific provision . . . controls one[s] of more general application”) (quotation marks
omitted). The government concedes that Tinklenberg defeats the primary arguments it made
in its brief to this court.

         In view of Tinklenberg and in view of the language of § 3161(h)(1)(F), we must
reverse this aspect of the district court’s decision. The relevant period under § 3161(h)(1)(F)
began with the “order directing . . . transportation” and ended with the “defendant’s arrival
at the destination.” The clock thus started on June 8, 2005, when the court ordered a
competency examination for Turner and stated:

         Further, as part of this Order, the United States Marshal and the Bureau of
         Prisons are hereby directed to conduct the transportation and the evaluation
         of the defendant in an appropriate, expeditious manner.

R.12 at 2. The clock stopped on August 12, 2005, when Turner arrived at the Metropolitan
Detention Center for the evaluation. The government’s only explanation for the delay does
not rebut the presumption of unreasonableness for delays that last more than ten days. See
18 U.S.C. § 3161(h)(1)(F). In vaguely relying on the “difficulty suffered by the facility and
by the United States Marshal Service in effectuating a timely evaluation and transportation
to and from the facility,” R.30 at 3, the government offers no handhold for rebutting the
presumption that it should not take the marshals more than ten days to transport an inmate
from a prison to the site of a competency examination. Because the remaining period
includes more than thirty days, the Act requires us to dismiss the charges in Turner’s original
complaint.

         The government persists that Turner has forfeited his claim under the Speedy Trial
Act. It points to a proposed order that Turner filed with his motion to determine mental
competency, which said:

         Pursuant to the Speedy Trial Act provisions of 18 U.S.C. § 3161(h)(1)(A),
         the time required for trial of the defendant shall be tolled from the date of the
         instant order until the results of said psychiatric examination are received by
No. 07-3481         United States v. Turner                                           Page 5


        the Court, such period being a delay contemplated by 18 U.S.C.
        § 3161(h)(1)(A).

R.10-1 at 2. Because Turner’s proposed order purported to exclude all of the time from the
issuance of the competency-examination order to the receipt of the examination results, the
government says that he may not argue otherwise now.

        Yet the government has a forfeiture problem of its own, as it failed to raise this
argument below. That is not its only problem: Even assuming that the proposed order could
constitute a waiver, the Speedy Trial Act does not allow defendants to waive a deadline
prospectively. See Zedner v. United States, 

, 500 (2006). Unlike many rights,
the rights protected by the Speedy Trial Act belong not just to the defendant, but also to the
public at large, and “[a]llowing prospective waivers would seriously undermine the Act
because there are many cases . . . in which the prosecution, the defense, and the court would
all be happy to opt out of the Act, to the detriment of the public interest.” 

Turner’s proposed order did not—it could not by itself—waive his right to object to the
indictment delay.

        Judicial estoppel is no more helpful to the government. As an equitable doctrine
developed to “protect the integrity of the judicial process,” New Hampshire v. Maine, 

, 749 (2001) (quotation marks omitted), it “generally prevents a party from
prevailing in one phase of a case on an argument and then relying on a contradictory
argument to prevail in another phase.” Pegram v. Herdrich, 

, 227 n.8 (2000);
see also Reed Elsevier, Inc. v. Muchnick, ___ U.S. ___, No. 08-103, slip op. at 14–15 (Mar.
2, 2010). But Turner did not make a Speedy Trial Act “argument” below. The merits of the
motion he filed focused on the facts and law relating to Turner’s need for a competency
hearing; it did not turn on the Act and needed little argument because the government did
not oppose it. See 

(refusing to apply judicial estoppel and noting
that “the Government itself accepted the . . . interpretation without objection”).

        The language of the proposed order upon which the government focuses also had no
relevance to whether Turner was entitled to a competency hearing. Nor would anyone have
mistaken the short paragraph for a fully considered legal position. In addition to its brevity
and its lack of analysis, the passage purports to toll the “time required for trial of the
No. 07-3481         United States v. Turner                                            Page 6


defendant,” R.10-1 at 2 (emphasis added), not the time required for indictment, see 18 U.S.C.
§ 3161(b), and not for that matter the time required for transportation. And the passage
correctly states the “general rule” of § 3161(h)(1)(A), even though it makes no mention of
§ 3161(h)(1)(F)’s “specific exception” to that rule. 

. No doubt
Turner would have done well to give more consideration to the Speedy Trial Act issue before
submitting the proposed order. But there was no reason at that point to anticipate the
government’s conceded “difficulty . . . in effectuating a timely . . . transport to . . . the
facility,” R.30 at 3, which of course was the ultimate problem and not the problem addressed
in the motion.

        The government adds that Turner “failed to develop the record with respect to the
date on which an institution was designated and the date he was actually transported.” U.S.
Br. at 25. The government again invokes Murphy—this time, a portion reaffirmed by

n.2—in which the court held that the ten-day limit could not
apply unless the defendant provides evidence of the actual transportation 

. The government notes that the June 8 order does not designate any specific
institution but commits Turner “to the Federal Medical Center designated by the Bureau of
Prisons.” R.12 at 1. On this record, the government says, the ten-day clock never started
(or at least no evidence shows when it started) and accordingly Turner necessarily cannot
establish a violation.

        The government reads § 3161(h)(1)(F) too narrowly and Murphy too broadly. The
statute says nothing about the designation of a specific institution; it refers only to the
“transportation of any defendant . . . to and from places of examination or hospitalization,”
and starts counting days on “the date . . . [of] an order directing such transportation.”
18 U.S.C. § 3161(h)(1)(F). The June 8 order “direct[s]” the United States Marshal “to
conduct the transportation . . . of the defendant . . . in an appropriate, expeditious manner,”
R.12 at 2, which qualifies as an “order directing . . . transportation,” even if it speaks only
of transportation to a Federal Medical Center, not a specific facility.

        The government’s reading would require either a second judicial order or a separate
agency order to trigger § 3161(h)(1)(F). As to the concept of a second judicial order, a court
might choose to issue one order directing an evaluation, then, once the government has
No. 07-3481          United States v. Turner                                            Page 7


picked a facility for the defendant’s evaluation, issue another order directing the government
to transport the defendant there—an approach that might eliminate the countable-delay
problems encountered here. Cf. United States v. McGhee, 

, 736–37 (8th Cir.
2008). But we do not read the statute to require a second order to begin the Speedy Trial
clock. Here, the court’s first order covered evaluation and transportation, which satisfies the
requirement of an “order directing . . . transportation.” And it would be strange to construe
the statute to contain a start date that begins, if at all, only when courts do something—issue
a second judicial order—that, the government tells us, they rarely do. 1/26/10 U.S. Letter
Br. at 4.

        The government responds that the infrequency of second judicial orders would not
“gut[] § 3161(h)(1)(F),” 

because, even without such an order, we still could start the
clock at the start of the defendant’s trip or on the date of an agency’s internal order to
transport Turner. The Seventh Circuit has followed this approach in the absence of a judicial
order of transportation. See United States v. Garrett, 

, 1139–40 (7th Cir. 1995).
But why consider solutions for a problem—the absence of an order of transportation—that
does not exist? In this case, the district court’s June 8 order explicitly directed the Marshals
Service to transport Turner.

        All of this makes Turner’s case readily distinguishable from Murphy’s. In that case,
so far as the court’s opinion reveals, there was no order of transportation and no evidence
about the date of arrival, nor any evidence of an agency order as in Garrett, meaning that the
defendant could not prove the start date or the end date. 

. Murphy’s
conclusion—that the defendant could not succeed for failure of proof, 

has
no bearing on this case, where Turner has shown both dates.

        The government notes that finding a placement for a defendant like Turner can take
time and argues that the ten-day limit of § 3161(h)(1)(F) could cause practical difficulties.
The first response is that Congress, not this court, set the limit. The second response is that,
after a ten-day delay, § 3161(h)(1)(F) establishes a presumption of unreasonableness, not a
conclusion of unreasonableness. If legitimate problems arise in transporting a defendant, the
government legitimately may rebut the presumption. The third response is that the order
directing examination need not direct transportation. If the government fears that a
No. 07-3481          United States v. Turner                                                 Page 8


defendant’s placement could take some time, it is free to suggest that the court not issue an
order directing transportation at that point. Nothing in the statute forbids giving the
government some time (though presumably not unlimited time) to find a placement before
issuing an “order directing . . . transportation.” The fourth response is that our holding limits
only automatic exclusion under § 3161(h)(1), not the ends-of-justice continuances that courts
may grant under § 3161(h)(7). What the Court said in Bloate, in rejecting a similar argument
by the government, applies with equal force here:

        This conclusion does not lay “a trap for trial judges” because it limits . . .
        only automatic exclusions. . . . [A] district court may [still] exclude . . . time
        under subsection (h)(7) if it grants a continuance for that purpose based on
        recorded findings “that the ends of justice served by taking such action
        outweigh the best interest of the public and the defendant in a speedy trial.”
        Subsection (h)(7) provides “[m]uch of the Act’s flexibility,” 

, and gives district courts “discretion—within limits and subject
        to specific procedures—to accommodate limited delays for case-specific
        needs,” 

Slip. op. at 17.

        The government also claims that Tinklenberg cannot be reconciled with Murphy and
that Murphy, as the first of the two decisions, should control. See Darrah v. City of Oak
Park, 

, 310 (6th Cir. 2001). Murphy stated that § 3161(h)(1)(A)’s general
exclusion for time of examination should control a situation like this regardless of the ten-
day time 

, but Tinklenberg reasoned that the statement was “not
necessary to the outcome” of Murphy and thus did not bind later 

&
n.2. We agree with the government that one could read Murphy’s statement as a holding,
rather than as dicta, making Murphy, not Tinklenberg, the precedent that binds. But Murphy
is not clear on the point. This is not a situation where the second opinion overlooked the
first, see White v. Columbus Metro. Hous. Auth., 

, 240–41 (6th Cir. 2005), or
where the second opinion disregarded the first merely because it disagreed with it, see

. Here, the second opinion considered the first one, reasonably
found the first opinion not binding and indeed was written by the author of the first opinion.
While the en banc court remains free to consider the merits of the Murphy approach versus
the Tinklenberg approach to this question, we think Tinklenberg reasonably distinguished
Murphy.
No. 07-3481         United States v. Turner                                            Page 9


        Tinklenberg, it bears adding, is consistent with the majority of courts to consider the
issue. Most courts generally agree that “the entire time between the order for psychiatric
examination and the date of the competency hearing cannot be excluded, for under
§ 3161(h)(1)(F) any time over 10 days spent transporting the defendant to his psychiatric
examination is considered unreasonable.” United States v. Castle, 

, 137 (5th
Cir. 1990); see United States v. Noone, 

, 25–26 & n.5 (1st Cir. 1990); cf. United
States v. Collins, 

, 1427 (9th Cir. 1996). Language in one case may suggest that
courts should exclude all time from the order for a psychiatric examination to the final
competency hearing, regardless of how much of that time the defendant spent waiting to be
transported to the examination, though the point seems not to have been debated by the
parties. See United States v. Vasquez, 

, 333 (2d Cir. 1990).

        Turner thus has established that the government violated the Speedy Trial Act. But
his success on this front gets him only so far on another front—his interest in being let out
of prison. First, we can order the dismissal of just two of his seven convictions—for being
a felon in possession of a firearm and being a felon in possession of ammunition, see
18 U.S.C. § 922(g)—and the order thus affects just the components of his sentence, if any,
based on these two convictions. Those were the only charges included in his original
complaint, and a speedy indictment violation requires dismissal only of the offenses charged
in the original complaint. See 18 U.S.C. § 3162(a)(1); United States v. Nabors, 

, 1355 (6th Cir. 1990). Second, the government may be able to try these charges again,
because we remand to the district court to determine, based upon the factors in 18 U.S.C.
§ 3162(a)(1), whether to dismiss these charges with or without prejudice. See 

.

                                              III.

                                              A.

        Turner’s other claims fare worse. He argues that the police arrested him without
probable cause in violation of the Fourth Amendment and asks us to suppress the drugs, gun
and ammunition seized after the arrest. But Turner waived this argument by failing timely
to raise it below. Under Rule 12(e) of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure, a party
waives any motion to suppress that it fails to file by the deadline the district court sets.
No. 07-3481          United States v. Turner                                           Page 10


Turner never filed a motion to suppress, and the closest thing he did file—a pro se “Petition
to Dismiss Complaint” that argued the police did not have probable cause to arrest him,
R.36—came nine days after the relevant filing deadline.

        Turner responds that Rule 12(e) allows the district court to relieve a party from the
waiver “[f]or good cause,” Fed. R. Crim. P. 12(e), which he met by trying to file a motion
to suppress before the deadline but that his attorney prevented him from filing. See R.34
(moving for a new lawyer because the current lawyer was “not willing to file motions
[Turner] ask[ed] him [to]”). But we have rejected this same argument before. See, e.g.,
United States v. Nance, 

, 885 n.1 (6th Cir. 2007) (refusing to reach merits of
suppression motion even where defendant unsuccessfully pressed his counsel to file it).
Turner adds that the district court found not only that Turner’s pro se motion was “filed out
of time” but also that it was “without merit on [its] face,” R.96 at 13, which amounts to a
merits ruling that we may review. But we have rejected this argument before as well. See,
e.g., United States v. Obiukwu, 

, 819 (6th Cir. 1994) (“The fact that the district
court saw fit to rule on the merits of [the] motion, despite its untimeliness, does not save the
defendant from waiver of the grounds stated in the motion.”).

        Even to the extent that we may review Turner’s claim for plain error—and it is not
clear that we may, see United States v. Caldwell, 

, 430 (6th Cir. 2008); see also
United States v. Collier, 246 F. App’x 321, 335–36 (6th Cir. 2007)—we decline to do so
here, without the benefit of a suppression hearing below. Given the multiplicity of factors
that may give rise to probable cause, see Maryland v. Pringle, 

, 370–71 (2003),
or turn an investigative stop into an arrest, see United States v. Lopez-Arias, 

,
627 (6th Cir. 2003), we cannot meaningfully resolve these issues based on this trial
testimony alone.

                                               B.

        Turner raises several new claims in his reply brief. These claims are forfeited, see
Moulton v. U.S. Steel Corp., 

, 354 (6th Cir. 2009), and meritless to boot.

        Turner argues that the jury delivered an inconsistent verdict by convicting him of
possessing heroin, ammunition and a firearm but acquitting him of possessing crack cocaine.
No. 07-3481          United States v. Turner                                           Page 11


But there is nothing inconsistent about this verdict, since it is quite possible to possess one
thing and not another, and, “[i]n any event, inconsistent verdicts are constitutionally
tolerable.” Dowling v. United States, 

, 353–54 (1990).

        Turner separately argues that his conviction was based on hearsay, because the
government did not produce the ammunition he possessed but relied on witnesses testifying
about it, and did not produce the gunshot residue evidence from his gun but also relied on
testimony about it. Yet testimony about out-of-court events or objects is not hearsay unless
it includes testimony about an out-of-court statement. See Fed. R. Evid. 801(c).

        Turner also argues that the government’s destruction of the ammunition and the
gunshot residue evidence violated his due process rights. But one cannot state a due process
claim simply by pointing to “the failure of the State to preserve evidentiary material of which
no more can be said than that it could have been subjected to tests, the results of which might
have exonerated the defendant.” Arizona v. Youngblood, 

, 57 (1988). Turner
offers no theory by which this evidence might have exonerated him—or, for that matter, any
tests to which he would subject the evidence—and so this claim fails as well.

                                               C.

        In view of our disposition of Turner’s Speedy Trial Act claim, we need not consider
his sentencing challenges.     The sentence on the two felon-in-possession counts, we
recognize, run concurrently with the sentences on the unaltered convictions, making it quite
possible that these dismissals will have little, if indeed any, affect on the length of Turner’s
sentence. But given the complexity of the guidelines calculation underlying Turner’s
sentence—which took nearly nine pages of transcript to explain—and given the district
court’s plenary sentencing responsibilities, we will let the district court determine the effect
of these dismissals on Turner’s sentence in the first instance.

        (One side note: We thank counsel for the two parties, who ably represented their
competing sides and went above and beyond the call of duty in helping the court to try to
sort out the complicated issues raised in this case.)
No. 07-3481         United States v. Turner                                          Page 12


                                              IV.

        For these reasons, (1) we reverse Turner’s convictions for being a felon in possession
of a firearm and a felon in possession of ammunition; (2) we remand to the district court to
determine whether to dismiss those charges with or without prejudice; (3) we affirm Turner’s
five other convictions; and (4) we vacate Turner’s sentence and remand for resentencing.