The General Counsel's complaint charged that Struksnes Construction Co., Inc. of Minot, North Dakota (herein, Employer), had violated section 8(a)(1), 29 U.S.C. 158(a)(1), by conducting an open, signed poll of its employees to determine whether they wished the Employer to bargain with the Union, and section 8(a)(5), 29 U.S.C.A 158(a)(5), by refusing to bargain with the Union. Reversing the Trial Examiner, a panel1 of the Bord, by a divided vote, entered its Decision and Order of September 28, 1964, dismissing the complaint.2 The Union's motion for reconsideration or rehearing was denied by order of March 25, 1965, reaffirming the original decision.

In the latter part of July 1963, the Union's area representative, McPherson, commenced organizational activity at a road construction jub for which the Employer had been awarded a contract by the North Dakota Highway Department. The Employer's president. Mr. Struksnes, was away much of the time attening to other highway projects.

The record did not show when Struksnes was expected to return to Minot, but it is clear that McPherson on August 7, 1963 consulted the Employer's attorney, Van Sickle, and asked him to arrange a meeting with Struksnes. There was no evidence that Van Sickle then had authority to commit the Employer to any particular course, or to speak for the Employer in terms of possible doubt as to the status of the Union membership. McPherson testified that he 'felt' he 'had the majority of the people and felt that we should sit down and talk about a contract.'3 Under date of August 9, 1963, Van Sickle wrote to McPherson:

'Dear Bob:

Re: Our File No. 5034-- Struksnes Construction, Inc. 'In preparation to discuss your labor agreement with Christ Struksnes, I wonder if you would tell me the number of employees Christ Struksnes has, who are members of your Union as of a specific date, (I would suggest, for instance, this last pay day, or any other pay day), so that when I talk the matter over with Christ I can whow him the representation.'4

McPherson under date of August 12, 1963 responded:

'Dear Bruce:

RE: Your File #5034-- Struksnes Construction Inc. 'In checking over my lists, I find that as of last Friday, August 9, I represent 20 men on Struksnes' job. If there is anything else that you ned, please let me know. If it is possible, I would like a meeting set up at your and Christ's earliest convenience.'

(Sgd.) 'Bob McPherson'

The record is silent as to details of developments following the 'Bruce' and 'Bob' correspondence until as of August 16, 1963, Van Sickle wrote to 'Dear Bob' that

'Christ Struksnes has now informed me that a majority of his men have advised him that they do not want him to negotiate with you with reference to a contract. I feed that I should advise you of this immediately * * *'

It thus would seem that at least as of August 16th, and probably earlier, Struksnes had returned and had conferred with Van Sickle. We may assume that the latter must have informed Struksnes of the contents of McPherson's letter of August 12. Also, we do not doubt that by the 16th, Van Sickle definitely represented the Employer, and thus felt impelled 'in good faith' to apprise McPherson that a majority of the men in the appropriate unit did not want Struksnes 'to negotiate with you with reference to a contract.'McPherson testified that the Employer had shown no bias in its employment, whether with respect to men who had previously been members of the Union or to those who had been organized in late July or early August as a result of McPherson's activities. McPherson testified further that neither the Employer nor his representatives had interfered with his solicitation of the employees, either before August 7, before August 12th or thereafter, even at the job site when Struksnes himself was on the job and was aware of McPherson's activities.5

In that setting, even when considered with an episode we next with reach, there was ample basis for the Board's conclusion that the General Counsel had failed to establish the allegations with respect to the claimed section 8(a)(5) violation. The record as a whole substantially supports that conclusion. There had been no strike, no evidence of anti-union animus as the Board found, no discrimination and no firing because of union activity.6 There had been no substantial evidence of coercion of the employees or of actual restraint of their exercising their section 7 rights.

But with respect to the section 8(a)(1) charge, the Employer had taken one step which we deem fateful.7 We are by no means satisfied with the Board's ad hoc acquiescence in, if not approval of, the manner in which the Employer polled his men. Commencing some time after the McPherson letter of August 12, text supra, p. 853, Struksnes 'went up and asked the guys. All I did was ask them. I told them what was up here, and I asked them to sign yes or no, and it wouldn't make any difference. It was up to those guys.'

What 'was up here' on Exhibit No. 7 was the following question addressed to

'THE MEN OF STRUCKSNES CONSTRUCTION CO. 'DO YOU WANT ME TO BARGAIN WITH AND SIGN A CONTRACT WITH OPERATING ENGINEERS LOCAL 49? 'PLEASE SIGN YOUR NAME AND ANSWER YES OR NO.'

Twenty-four men signed their names upon that statement, nine voting 'yes,' fifteen 'no,' with one refusint to sign at all. The Employer had called no meeting of the men at which he might explain his purpose to ascertain whether or not the men desired a union contract on this particular job,8 and assure them of no reprisals. Struksnes personally at the end of one shift presented the statement to each of the employees then available for his approach. His two foremen reached the remaining employees in like manner. How each man voted was known to the Employer or his foremen, not only at the time each man signed, but as a matter of record thereafter, just as the General Counsel's Exhibit 7 made manifest.

We can understand an inference that the men, members of the Union or not, might actually have voted in good faith not to have a union contract on this job; they might have wanted all the work they could get, even up to 9 P.M. on the second shift, before the 'freeze-up' and the darkness of winter set in, precluding further employment. The question on the Exhibit is equivocal to be sure, and seems not to have been directed to an ascertainment of union affiliation of the employees or of their activities, pro or con. On the other hand, as the Board itself has observed,

'Any employer who engages in interrogation does so with notice that he risks a finding of unfair labor practices if the circumstances are such that his interrogation restrains or interferes with employees in the exercise of their rights under the Act.'9

But how can he know when he will be deemed to have acted at his peril?

In the Board's Decision and Order in the Lorben Corporation case,10 the Trial Examiner's findings, conclusions and recommendations were adopted. A section 8(a)(1) violation was found, notwithstanding the absence of expression of employer hostility to the union or of other unfair labor practices. The Blue Flash doctrine there deemed applicable by the Trial Examiner was adopted by the Board which noted specifically

'We rely principally on the manner in which the poll was conducted, particularly the fact that Respondent did not explain the purpose of the poll to all of the employees, and did not offer or provide any assurances to the employees that their rights under the Act would not be infringed. Johnnie's Poultry Co., 146 N.L.R.B. 770.'

Finding a section 8(a)(1) violation in the latter case, the Board at page 775 defined the purposes of an employer poll which have been held to be legitimate and pronounced 'specific safeguards designed to minimize the coercive impact of such employer interrogation.' One such was that the questioning 'must occure in a context free from employer hostility to union organization and must not be itself coercive in nature.' There the company attorney had interviewed the employees, explaining his status and his purpose in investigating a charge which the union had filed against the company. He assured each employee that his rights were protected by law and would be respected. Each employee had been asked to identify his signature on the photostat of his union authorization card, and other details were developed. There, said the Board, was an unfair labor practice; no, said the Court of Appeals.

The Board in the instant case has made no reference to its Johnnie's Poultry Co.11 doctrine. The Board here simply dismisses, sub silentio, the development of a permanent record of the votes of each employee set against his signature after interrogation had been conducted in personal approach by the employer and his foremen, and otherwise under the circumstances we outlined. Although a majority of the employees were members of the union, had they succumbed to coercion when they voted in the negative upon being queried as to whether or not they desired their employer to enter into a contract with their union? The Board's Decision and Order discloses no treatment of the possibly inherent restraint resulting from such contacts. There was not attempt at reconciliation of the Board's assessment of the situation here with the section 8(a)(1) violations as found by the Board in Lorben, supra note 10, and in Johnnie's Poultry Co., supra note 11.

We may assume that a year-round industrial establishment posse different problems from those arising on a road grading operation lasting only a few weeks or months. But the Act makes no exception for conditions thus varying, for it leaves treatment to the Board as a matter of policy. The rights of the employees must be safeguarded nonetheless. So it is we do not understand how the Board could approve the tactics here utilized, the technique employed, or the form in which ascertainment of the attitude of the men was sought.

In respect of the conclusion here reached by the Board,12 its reasoning seems to have applied and found satisfied the criteria suggested in Blue Flash Express, Inc.13 In our judgment, that is not enough especially since the Board position clerly lacks vitality when its opinion notes 'that Struksnes did not conduct this poll until after the union had declined to answer its query concerning the dates on which the members had joined.' That statement was erroneous, as the Board later was bound to concede. (See note 4, supra, and related text.) Assuming that such 'dates' were material, the Union's letter of August 12, text supra, p. 853, represented 'that as of last Friday, August 9, I represent 20 men on Struksnes' job.' That claim had been submitted in specific reply to Attorney Van Sickle's inquiry.

We think the Board should come to grips with this constantly recurring problem14 for the protection of the employees as to their section 7 rights and for that of an employer acting in good faith. It would seem that the Board could, in the exercise of its expertise,15 develop appropriate policy considerations16 and outline at least minimal standards to govern the ascertainment of union status, or even in given permissible situations, the desire of the employees respecting a contract with the Union.17

We will set aside the Board's order and remand this case for further consideration not inconsistent with this opinion.18

Reversed and remanded.

The National Labor Relations Act provides in 10(f), 29 U.S.C. 160(f), that 'the findings of the Board with respect to questions of fact if supported by substantial evidence on the record considered as a whole shall * * * be conclusive.' The Board is 'one of those agencies presumably equipped or informed by experience to deal with a specialized field of knowledge, whose findings within that field carry the authority of an expertness which courts do not possess and therefore must respect'; a court may not 'displace the Board's choice between two fairly conflicting views, even though the court would justificably have made a different choice had the matter been before it de novo.' Universal Camera Corp. v. National Labor Relations Board, 340 U.S. 474, 488, 71 S. Ct. 456, 465, 95 L. Ed. 456 (1951). A court is not to overrule the Board's rejection of a claim unless 'the evidence required the Board to uphold the claim.' Amalgamated Clothing Workers of America v. National Labor Relations Board, 118 U.S.App.D.C. 191, 334 F.2d 581 (1964).

The Supreme Court has established the principle that "The judicial function is exhausted when there is found to be a rational basis for the conclusions approved by the administrative body.' Mississippi Valley Barge Line Co. v. United States, 292 U.S. 282, 286-287 (54 S. Ct. 692, 693, 694, 78 L. Ed. 1260) * * *' Rochester Telephone Corp. v. United States, 307 U.S. 125, 146, 59 S. Ct. 754, 83 L. Ed. 1147 (1939). We have recognized that this principle applies when we review action of the National Labor Relations Board. In Internat'l Woodworkers of America, Local Unions 6-7 and 6-122 v. National Labor Relations Board, 105 U.S.App.D.C. 37, 39, 263 F.2d 483, 485 (1959), we said: 'On the record as a whole, we are unable to say this finding has no rational basis and it must therefore be affirmed.'

In the present case, the Board found that the employer's 'purpose for conducting the poll was * * * to ascertain whether the Union represented a current majority'; that 'there is not other evidence of animus'; and that the 'polling of the employees under the circumstances of this case did not carry an implied threat of reprisals or in any other way interfere with, restrain, or coerce employees in the exercise of the rights guaranteed in Section 7 of the Act.' The Board accordingly found that the General Counsel 'failed to establish a violation of Section 8(a)(5) and (1) * * *.' No doubt the Board might reasonably have found what my colleagues think it ought to have found. But if, as I think, the Board made a rational choice between two conflicting views neither of which is demonstrably right or demonstrably wrong, we should affirm.

Regarding the 8(a)(1) charge of an unfair labor practice, the coercion of employees, the court does not decide what I think is the question before us. Instead of deciding whether the Board's finding is or is not supported by 'substantial evidence on the record considered as a whole', or whether there is or is not 'a rational basis for the conclusions approved by the Administrative body', the court decides only that it disagrees with the Board: 'We are by no means satisfied with the Board's ad hoc acquiescence in, if not approval of, the manner in which the Employer polled his men.' (p. 854). The court considers as an original question, without regard to the Board's conclusions, whether or not the taking of the poll was an unfair labor practice.

I think the court errs, also, in remanding the case to the Board 'for further consideration * * *'. If there was no rational basis for the Board's order, it should be set aside and the case should be remanded to the Board with a direction to find that the manner in which the employer polled the men was coercive. If, as I think, there was a rational basis for the Board's order, it should be affirmed. There is no occasion to ask the Board to give the case 'further consideration'.