Justice THEIS delivered the judgment of the court, with opinion.
¶ 1 This case comes before us on certification from the United States Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit. See Ill. S.Ct. R. 20 (eff. August 1, 1992). That court asked us to determine "whether municipalities may require electronic intermediaries to collect and remit amusement taxes on resold tickets." Our answer is no.
¶ 3 In 1923, the Illinois General Assembly passed the Ticket Scalping Act, which prohibited owners of public entertainment venues from selling admission tickets anywhere other than the venues' box offices. See 1923 Ill. Laws 322. In 1935, the legislature broadened that statute beyond venue owners, and outlawed the sale of such tickets for more than face value. See 1935 Ill. Laws 707. This statute remained unchanged until 1991, when the legislature rewrote it to provide an exception for ticket brokers, who could avoid any penalties for selling tickets above the box office price by meeting several requirements, including registering with the Secretary of State and paying all applicable state and local taxes. See Ill.Rev.Stat.1991, ch. 121½, ¶ 157.32. The legislature amended, and expanded upon, these requirements in 1995. See 720 ILCS 375/1.5 (West 1996).
¶ 5 In 2002, the legislature amended the Auction License Act, requiring "Internet Auction Listing Services" either located in Illinois or dealing with persons or property located in Illinois to register with the state's Department of Financial and Professional Regulation. See 225 ILCS 407/10-27(b) (West 2010). This amendment brought online auctioneers under the same regulatory umbrella that covered more traditional auctioneers, but the amendment also recognized the significant differences between them. Specifically, the statute defined an internet auction listing service as a website or other interactive computer service that brings together prospective sellers and buyers of personal property, but "does not examine, set the price, or prepare the description of the personal property * * *, or in any way utilize the services of a natural person as an auctioneer." 225 ILCS 407/10-27(a)(1) (West 2010). The statute mandated that an internet auction listing service must certify that it "does not act as the agent of users who sell items on its website, and acts only as a venue for user transactions" (225 ILCS 407/10-27(c)(1) (West 2010)), and that it retains identification information on its users and their transactions, provides customer support for its users, and suspends users who engage in deliberate fraud. 225 ILCS 407/10-27(c)(2) to (6) (West 2010).
¶ 6 Shortly thereafter, as tickets to entertainment events began to appear on such websites, the legislature replaced the Ticket Scalping Act with the Ticket Sale and Resale Act (Act) (720 ILCS 375/0.01 et seq. (West 2010)). The new statute still prohibited the sale of tickets for more than face value, but contained more exceptions, including one for internet auction listing services, which featured extensive and detailed consumer protection measures. Section 1.5(c) provides:
¶ 7 StubHub, Inc., registered as an internet auction listing service in compliance with the Act. StubHub describes itself as "the world's largest online ticket marketplace" and operates a website or "platform" where users can buy and sell tickets to various events around the country. All users must register by providing personal information on the website. A user who wants to sell a ticket may list it on the website by submitting information about the event — the venue, date, time, and location of the ticket — as well as choosing a method and period for the sale, through a series of interactive prompts on the site. A user who wants to buy a ticket may then search for it on the site by the event, the date, or the venue. A prospective buyer and a prospective seller can communicate with each other only via the website. Once they have agreed upon a price, StubHub processes the sale, charging the buyer a service fee of 10% of that price, and the seller a 15% fee. Pursuant to the Act, StubHub informs its sellers of their tax obligations.
¶ 8 In 2006, the City amended its amusement tax ordinance again to require not only "resellers," but also "reseller's agents" to collect and remit the amusement tax. Under the ordinance, a reseller's agent is a
The amendment further provided that ticket resellers and reseller's agents have a joint and several duty to collect and remit the tax to the City. Chicago Municipal Code § 4-156-030(A) (amended May 24, 2006). However, when a licensed ticket broker is not involved in the sale, the ordinance provides that the reseller's agent "shall be primarily responsible for collecting and remitting the tax, and the reseller shall be responsible for collecting and remitting only if the reseller's agent fails to do so." Chicago Municipal Code § 4-156-030(F) (amended May 24, 2006).
¶ 9 In 2007, the City sent a letter to StubHub stating that it might be deemed a reseller's agent under the ordinance, and might be required to collect and remit the amusement tax on behalf of its users. The letter requested information and documents with respect to StubHub's "facilitation" of ticket resales to entertainment events located in Chicago since January 1, 2000. StubHub declined to provide any of the information, and in 2008, the City filed a four-count complaint against StubHub. The City alleged that StubHub was a reseller's agent under the ordinance because it "resold and/or facilitated the resale" of tickets. Accordingly, the City claimed, StubHub had a joint and several duty to collect and remit the amusement tax on thousands of ticket resales from 2000 to the present. The City sought a declaration that StubHub was required to do so;
¶ 10 StubHub removed the case to federal court on diversity grounds (see 28 U.S.C. § 1332(a) (2006)), and filed a motion to dismiss. The federal district court granted that motion. City of Chicago v. StubHub, Inc., 622 F.Supp.2d 699, 704 (N.D.Ill.2009). The federal district court stated that the City's power to impose an obligation on StubHub to collect and remit the amusement tax depended upon the nature of the tax. Id. at 703. Because our appellate court had decided that ticket resales were sales of tangible personal property (see Mr. B's, Inc. v. City of Chicago, 302 Ill.App.3d 930, 937, 236 Ill.Dec. 127, 706 N.E.2d 1001 (1998)), and the state legislature had preempted the City's authority to tax such property (see 65 ILCS 5/8-11-6a (West 2010)), the federal district court held that the City lacked the authority to require StubHub to collect and remit the amusement tax incurred by its sellers. StubHub, 622 F.Supp.2d at 703-04.
¶ 11 The City appealed. The federal circuit court first examined, then rejected, StubHub's argument that federal law prohibited the City from imposing a tax on internet sites. City of Chicago v. StubHub!, Inc., 624 F.3d 363, 367 (7th Cir. 2010). The federal circuit court then discussed Illinois law, noting that in a diversity case a district court is bound by state appellate court case law, but a circuit court is not:
¶ 12 The federal circuit court found no precedent from this court on the three principal questions in dispute, namely, "whether the tax works as an occupation tax, whether the history of the 2005 amendment prevents Chicago from defining Internet auction sites as resellers' agents, and whether the amusement tax is one on `tangible personal property.'" Id. at 367. Under Rule 20, the court certified a broader question: "whether municipalities may require electronic intermediaries to collect and remit amusement taxes on resold tickets." Id. at 368. According to the federal circuit court, it phrased the question in that way "to ensure maximum flexibility for the state judiciary, which may elect to address any of the three sub-questions we have already identified, or may conclude that some other issue altogether determines the appropriate answer." Id. We accepted certification, and allowed the County of Cook to file an amicus curiae brief in support of the City
¶ 14 Initially, we must address the threshold question of whether StubHub is a "reseller's agent" under the ordinance. If it is not, the ordinance does not apply.
¶ 15 StubHub argues it is not a reseller's agent because it is not an agent for its users. StubHub notes that in order to obtain a license, it must certify that it is not its users' agent. See 225 ILCS 407/10-27(c)(1) (West 2010). According to StubHub, this statutory requirement recognizes that internet auction listing services do not act as agents, but rather as marketplaces that bring buyers and sellers together. Further, StubHub asserts that under common law agency principles, it lacks control over its users. Though it may terminate a user's access to its website, it does not dictate the terms of any sales.
¶ 16 The City argues that under the ordinance a reseller's agent is simply a person who, for consideration, resells a ticket for the ticket's owner or assists the owner in reselling the ticket. According to the City, StubHub fits this description. It allows ticket owners to list tickets for sale on its website, and offers them ways to do so that help potential buyers find the tickets they want. In return for these services, StubHub collects a fee from both buyers and sellers.
¶ 17 We agree with the City. The City is free to define terms in its code, and need not track common law agency principles. Under the ordinance, a reseller's agent is "a person who, for consideration, resells a ticket on behalf of the ticket's owner or assists the owner in reselling the ticket." Chicago Municipal Code § 4-156-010 (amended May 24, 2006). That term applies to StubHub because it provides services that help users sell their tickets, and it is compensated for those services. See StubHub, 624 F.3d at 366-67 ("intermediaries that take an active role in staging an auction and exchanging goods for money, as StubHub[] does, are resellers' agents"). We now turn to the central issue in this case: whether the City has the authority to impose an obligation upon online auctioneers to collect and remit its amusement tax. Our discussion begins with home rule.
¶ 18 Under the 1870 Illinois Constitution, the balance of power between our state and local governments was heavily weighted toward the state. The 1970 Illinois Constitution drastically altered that balance, giving local governments more autonomy. Schillerstrom Homes, Inc. v. City of Naperville, 198 Ill.2d 281, 286-87, 260 Ill.Dec. 835, 762 N.E.2d 494 (2001); City of Evanston v. Create, Inc., 85 Ill.2d 101, 107, 51 Ill.Dec. 688, 421 N.E.2d 196 (1981) (quoting 4 Record of Proceedings, Sixth Illinois Constitutional Convention 3024). Municipalities now enjoy "the broadest powers possible" (Scadron v. City of Des Plaines, 153 Ill.2d 164, 174, 180 Ill.Dec. 77, 606 N.E.2d 1154 (1992)) under the Constitution. Section 6(a) of article VII provides:
¶ 19 Section 6(a) gives municipalities any powers pertaining to their governments and affairs, including the power to tax, but not the power over matters such as divorce, real property, trusts, and contracts
¶ 20 That task has involved defining the parameters of the qualifying phrase "pertaining to." In this regard, Professor David Baum, counsel to the Committee on Local Government at the Sixth Illinois Constitutional Convention, has been a valuable resource to the court. In 1972, he wrote two articles, A Tentative Survey of Illinois Home Rule (Part I): Powers and Limitations, 1972 U. Ill. L.F. 137 (hereinafter Part I), and A Tentative Survey of Illinois Home Rule (Part II): Legislative Control, Transition Problems, and Intergovernmental Conflict, 1972 U. Ill. L.F. 559 (hereinafter Part I), both of which touch upon the tensions inherent in this area, and confirm our role in mediating the constitutional balance between state and local governments under section 6.
¶ 21 Professor Baum acknowledged that the "pertaining to" language created a "general and uncertain limitation" on local government power. Part I, 1972 U. Ill. L.F. at 152. But he insisted that section 6 as a whole was designed to prevent implied preemption, or preemption by judicial interpretation. Id. at 154.
¶ 22 According to Professor Baum, section 6 does not contemplate "substantial restraint" on local power imposed by the courts (id. at 156), but that does not mean that the courts have no role. Any other interpretation would read the "pertaining to" language out of the constitution. Professor Baum concluded, "Certainly, the `pertaining to ...' language leaves some leeway for judicial intervention. But if the constitutional design is to be respected, the courts should step in to compensate for legislative inaction or oversight only in the clearest cases of oppression, injustice, or interference by local ordinances with vital state policies." Id. at 156-57. That is, because the legislature can always vindicate state interests by express preemption, only vital state interests would allow a court to decide that an exercise of home rule power does not pertain to local government and affairs. Part II, 1972 U. Ill. L.F. at 573.
¶ 24 These cases, and others, track our efforts in identifying which considerations help us determine when the state's interest in a subject is so paramount that regulation of it is beyond the reach of municipalities. Beginning in Kalodimos v. Village of Morton Grove, 103 Ill.2d 483, 501, 83 Ill.Dec. 308, 470 N.E.2d 266 (1984), we clarified our analysis under section 6(a):
¶ 25 This is not a "free-wheeling preemption rule" resting upon the mere existence of comprehensive state regulation. Id. at 502, 83 Ill.Dec. 308, 470 N.E.2d 266. Rather, the rule limits our function under section 6(a) to a threshold one, in which we can declare a subject off-limits to local government control only where the state has a vital interest and a traditionally exclusive role. This test was used by a unanimous court as the definitive analysis under section 6(a) in Scadron v. City of Des Plaines, 153 Ill.2d 164, 176, 180 Ill.Dec. 77, 606 N.E.2d 1154 (1992), Village of Bolingbrook v. Citizens Utilities Co. of Illinois, 158 Ill.2d 133, 139, 198 Ill.Dec. 389, 632 N.E.2d 1000 (1994), and Schillerstrom Homes, Inc. v. City of Naperville, 198 Ill.2d 281, 290, 260 Ill.Dec. 835, 762 N.E.2d 494 (2001). It is now settled law.
¶ 27 Next, we must examine whether the state or the City has a greater interest in solving that problem. Obviously, the City has an interest in collecting its amusement tax. But the state has an interest in who does the collecting, which is related to its vital interest in preserving and regulating the emerging market for online ticket resales across Illinois.
¶ 28 Before the City amended its code, the General Assembly had already displayed a keen understanding that online auctioneers employ a new business model, uniquely suited to statewide regulation. When the legislature amended the Auction Licence Act in 2002, it defined an internet auction listing service as a virtual place where prospective sellers and buyers meet, as opposed to a natural person who examines, describes, and prices the property to be sold. See 225 ILCS 407/10-27(a)(1) (West 2010). The legislature required entities offering such a service to certify that they do not act as an agent for sellers, but only as a venue for user transactions. See 225 ILCS 407/10-27(c)(1) (West 2010). However, the legislature made online auctioneers accountable to the Department of Financial and Professional Regulation, like traditional auctioneers, presumably to guard users against fraud. See 225 ILCS 407/10-27(b) (West 2010).
¶ 29 When the legislature considered House Bill 873, which later became the Ticket Sale and Resale Act in 2005, it continued to recognize the need to regulate online auctioneers, and the need to treat them differently. The legislative record offers valuable insight in this regard.
¶ 30 Similar themes emerge from the House and Senate debates. In the House, Representative Saviano noted that the bill resulted from six months of negotiations, in an effort to "get a handle" on, and impose consumer protection measures upon, online ticket resales. 94th Ill. Gen. Assem., House Proceedings, Apr. 15, 2005, at 129 (statements of Representative Saviano). Representative Saviano then discussed the City's amusement tax:
¶ 31 In the Senate, Senator Harmon also mentioned that this was a "heavily negotiated bill," which legalized a new secondary market for ticket resales. 94th Ill. Gen. Assem., Senate Proceedings, May 18, 2005, at 14 (statements of Senator Harmon). Senator Harmon stated that the City was "neutral," and the only opposition came from Senators sympathetic to ticket brokers. Id. at 14-15. Senator Dillard offered a floor amendment, which he said would "level the playing field" between ticket brokers and internet auction listing services, and impose the same tax collection obligations on both groups. Id. at 15 (statements of Senator Dillard). Senator Harmon responded that the bill regulated millions of dollars worth of ticket resales, and would ultimately result in increased tax revenues for the city. Id. at 16 (statements of Senator Harmon).
¶ 32 Senator Harmon later explained:
He then likened internet auction listing services to lessors and stated that requiring them to collect and remit the amusement tax "would be like saying that the landlord of the ticket broker is now responsible for collecting the amusement tax on behalf of the ticket broker." Id. at 66. Senator Harmon concluded by stating his belief that the City would not lose revenue and would actually gain revenue because the bill contained a provision that internet auction listing services must prompt and direct ticket resellers to remit the amusement tax themselves. Id.
¶ 34 StubHub contends that in order to comply with the City's ordinance, it would have to alter its business model, fashioning features on its website through which it could verify at least the face value of the ticket. However, under its current user agreement, and consistent with the Auction License Act (see 225 ILCS 407/10-27(a)(1) (West 2010)), StubHub does not examine the tickets that its users list for resale. StubHub also notes that if other municipalities followed the City's lead and required internet auctioneers to collect and remit amusement taxes, there could potentially be a patchwork of local regulations. The legislature considered such burdens, and decided not to impose them, preferring instead a more comprehensive and uniform approach. We conclude that the state has a vital interest in regulating online auctioneers and protecting consumers, and consequently a greater interest than any municipality in local tax collection by internet auction listing services.
¶ 35 Finally, we must examine whether the state or the municipality has a traditional role in solving the problem. The City certainly has a traditional role in collecting its amusement tax, but not from internet auction listing services. There, the City does not have a traditional role. The state, however, has a long history of protecting consumers, dating back to 1961 with the criminalization of deceptive practices (720 ILCS 5/17-0.5 (West 2010)) and the enactment of the Consumer Fraud and Deceptive Business Practices Act (815 ILCS 505/1 et seq. (West 2010)). Further, it has regulated auctioneers for more than 10 years, and ticket resales for 20 years. And it has regulated scalping in some form since 1923. In fact, the City did not begin to tax ticket resales until the state allowed ticket brokers to avoid the ban on scalping. And it did not impose a tax collection obligation on reseller's agents until the state had considered and rejected such an obligation, preferring to mitigate the effects of local taxes on internet auction listing services, by allowing them to choose not to collect those taxes. We conclude that the state has traditionally played a greater role in addressing the problems in this area.
¶ 36 The state has a greater interest than the City and a more traditional role in addressing the problem of tax collection by internet auctioneers. The Act, and the debates which produced it, evince an intent by the legislature to allow internet auction listing services to opt out of any obligation regarding local tax collection. That is a policy decision this court is ill — advised to ignore. The City's ordinance-specifically the imposition of a joint and several duty on internet auction listing services to collect and remit its amusement tax (Chicago Municipal Code § 4-156-020(A)) and the
¶ 37 The City argues, however, that even if it lacks the home rule authority to require internet auction listing services to collect its amusement tax on ticket resales, it retains statutory authority to do so. The City relies on section 11-42-5 of the Municipal Code, which was enacted in 1961 and still provides:
¶ 38 As the federal trial court correctly noted, "There is no doubt that the City has the authority to impose a tax on the venues that sell tickets to amusements." StubHub, 622 F.Supp.2d at 700 (citing 65 ILCS 5/11-42-5 (West 2010)). Additionally, "the parties do not dispute the fact that if a person sells a ticket for more than face value within the jurisdiction of the City of Chicago, he or she is required to pay the City's 8% amusement tax." Id. at 703. The question posed by the federal appeals court here does not address the City's authority to tax ticket resales, but rather the City's authority to impose an obligation on internet auction listing services to collect this tax.
¶ 39 StubHub argues that section 11-42-5 does not expressly allow municipalities to impose such an obligation. This point is well-taken, and the City cannot dispute it. The City attempts to plug this hole in the statutory language by referring to its "inherent authority" to effectuate its amusement tax.
¶ 40 The City relies upon Sherman-Reynolds, Inc. v. Mahin, 47 Ill.2d 323, 265 N.E.2d 640 (1970), Heyman v. Mahin, 49 Ill.2d 284, 275 N.E.2d 421 (1971), and S. Bloom, Inc. v. Korshak, 52 Ill.2d 56, 284 N.E.2d 257 (1972). Sherman-Reynolds, Inc. and Heyman are inapposite because they involved the state's power to designate various entities its tax collectors, and the state's power in that regard is not as limited as the City's power. In S. Bloom, Inc., we held that a municipality could require wholesalers and retailers to collect its cigarette tax without violating the constitutional prohibition on local occupation taxes. S. Bloom, Inc., 52 Ill.2d at 62, 284 N.E.2d 257. We stated that making distributors collect taxes was "not an uncommon nor improper" scheme. Id. at 63, 284 N.E.2d 257 (quoting Monamotor Oil Co. v. Johnson, 292 U.S. 86, 93, 54 S.Ct. 575, 78 L.Ed. 1141 (1934)). But online auctioneers are not distributors. They do not sell or resell tickets, or act as agents for their users, but rather simply provide a marketplace. See 225 ILCS 407/10-27(c)(1) (West 2010). They are one step removed from the actual transaction. Thus, S. Bloom, Inc. does not help the City.
¶ 41 We have recognized that a municipality may have some implied power, ancillary to the express power granted by the legislature and necessary to the exercise of that power. See Kanellos v. County of Cook, 53 Ill.2d 161, 166, 290 N.E.2d 240 (1972); cf. Fischer v. Brombolich, 207 Ill.App.3d 1053, 1059, 152 Ill.Dec. 908, 566 N.E.2d 785 (1991). We have not articulated the contours of this implied power in previous cases, and we need not do so in this case. The City acknowledges that if a municipality lacked home-rule authority to impose a tax collection requirement on internet
¶ 42 Here, there is a clear conflict. The City's ordinance requires online auctioneers to collect and remit the City's amusement tax, and the Act does not. The Act provides that, unlike ticket brokers, who must collect local amusement taxes (see 720 ILCS 375/1.5(b)(1) (West 2010)), online auctioneers may instead decide whether to collect those taxes or notify ticket resellers of their own liabilities for such taxes and disclose personal information about resellers at the request of local tax officials (see 720 ILCS 375/1.5(c)(6) (West 2010)). We do not believe the legislature intended to take away the choice it offered to internet auction listing services in 2005 when it allowed municipalities to tax amusements in 1961. Sellers and resellers of tickets may be made to collect the tax; internet auction listing services may not.
¶ 44 For the reasons that we have expressed, we conclude that Illinois municipalities may not require electronic intermediaries to collect and remit amusement taxes on resold tickets.
¶ 45 Certified question answered.
Justices FREEMAN, GARMAN, and BURKE concurred in the judgment and opinion.
Justice THOMAS dissented upon denial of rehearing, with opinion, joined by Chief Justice KILBRIDE and Justice KARMEIER.
¶ 46 Justice THOMAS, dissenting:
¶ 47 I initially joined the opinion in this case. In its petition for rehearing, however, the City of Chicago has convinced me that this court made numerous serious errors in its analysis and issued an opinion that is fundamentally at odds with this court's established precedent. The City raises two main points: (1) this court neglected to address one of its principal arguments on appeal; and (2) this court's opinion has "radically redefined, and diminished, home-rule authority in Illinois." Both points are well-taken, and this case deserves rehearing. The court has chosen to modify its opinion on denial of rehearing, but has not satisfactorily answered the points raised by the City. Therefore, I must respectfully dissent.
¶ 49 The question certified by the Seventh Circuit was broad: "whether municipalities may require electronic intermediaries to collect and remit amusement taxes on resold tickets." The City asserted that it had two independent bases for requiring StubHub to collect the amusement tax: (1) home rule authority; and (2) section 11-42-5 of the Municipal Code (65 ILCS 5/11-42-5 (West 2010)) and the City's inherent authority that accompanies it. In its first opinion, this court, without explanation, addressed only the home rule argument. The court has now modified its opinion to address the statutory argument, but its analysis is wholly unconvincing.
¶ 50 I am not going to dwell too long on the statutory argument, because the home rule analysis is the most problematic part of the court's opinion. I will briefly address why the court's statutory analysis does not work, and this will serve as a good introduction to the home rule argument, because the same error informs the majority's analysis of both issues. The majority declares that it need not concern
¶ 51 The first thing that the majority states in arguing that the ordinance and the statute conflict is that "[t]he City's ordinance requires online auctioneers to collect and remit the City's amusement tax and the Act does not." Supra ¶ 42. Of course, this is not a conflict. If this is a conflict, then the ordinance conflicts not only with the Act but also with every other Illinois statute. There would be a conflict only if the statute forbad municipalities from requiring online auctioneers to collect and remit amusement taxes. Next, we turn to the majority's misreading of the statute. The majority states that, "The Act provides that, unlike ticket brokers, who must collect amusement taxes (see 720 ILCS 375/1.5(b)(1) (West 2010)), online auctioneers may instead decide whether to collect those taxes or notify ticket resellers of their own liabilities for such taxes and disclose personal information about resellers at the request of local tax officials." (Emphasis added.) Supra ¶ 42. That is not what the Act says.
¶ 52 The Act provides that a ticket seller does not violate the Act's ban on selling tickets above face value when the seller uses an internet auction listing service that meets seven requirements. One of these requirements is that the listing service either collect applicable taxes or publish a written notice that the seller must do so. The City's ordinance requires reseller's agents to collect its amusement tax. Nothing in the Act states that a home rule unit may not require internet auction listing services to collect the tax. The majority misreads the statute as requiring that internet auction listing services be given a choice whether to collect the tax or publish the notice. It does no such thing. It provides the circumstances under which a ticket seller does not violate the Act.
¶ 53 To strip the statute and the ordinance down to their essential points for purposes of this issue, here is what we have:
Under what principle of statutory construction is this a conflict at all, much less a clear one? All this means is that, for resold tickets for Chicago events, the listing service will be the one that collects amusement taxes. There is nothing in the Act's plain language that would prohibit a home rule unit from requiring an internet auction listing service to collect its amusement tax; the majority is seeing a conflict that does not exist. The City has it exactly right in its petition for rehearing when it states that "the court's decision interpreted the Ticket Act's criminal safe harbor, which is provided in certain circumstances to persons who sell tickets on internet websites, to free an entirely different entity (the website itself) of an entirely different obligation (collection of the City's amusement tax) imposed by an entirely different legislative measure than either the Ticket Act or the Criminal Code (the City's ordinance)."
¶ 55 Two cardinal rules of statutory construction are that: (1) when reasonably possible, legislative enactments should be construed so that they do not conflict (Chavda v. Wolak, 188 Ill.2d 394, 402, 242 Ill.Dec. 606, 721 N.E.2d 1137 (1999)); and (2) when statutory language is clear and unambiguous, resort to extrinsic aids of construction — such as legislative history — is improper (People v. Collins, 214 Ill.2d 206, 214, 291 Ill.Dec. 686, 824 N.E.2d 262 (2005)). What the majority does here is to begin with clear, unambiguous statutory language that does not conflict with the ordinance, then turn to the legislative debates to manufacture a conflict where none exists, and then use that alleged conflict to invalidate the ordinance. This is not how we do things. Of course, the majority denies being engaged in statutory construction at all. Supra ¶ 29 n. 3. But, clearly, the majority does not believe this, because it later states that, "[t]he Act, and the debates which produced it, evince an intent by the legislature to allow internet auction listing services to opt out of any obligation regarding local tax collection." (Emphasis added.) Supra ¶ 36. You cannot discern legislative intent from the statute and the debates that produced it, and then claim that you are not engaging in statutory construction. Similarly, you cannot give the statute a meaning other than what its plain language provides without construing the statute.
¶ 56 It should be noted, too, that, although the majority has modified its opinion in response to the City's petition for rehearing, it has not addressed the City's argument that the court misread the statute. Instead, the majority simply doubles down on its mischaracterization of the Act, making untrue statements such as the following: (1) "The Act provides that, unlike ticket brokers, who must collect local amusement taxes (see 720 ILCS 375/1.5(b)(1) (West 2010)), online auctioneers may instead decide whether to collect those taxes or notify ticket resellers of their own liabilities for such taxes and disclose personal information about resellers at the request of local tax officials (see 720 ILCS 375/1.5(c)(6) (West 2010))" (supra ¶ 42); and (2) "the legislature gave such services the choice of collecting and remitting all federal, state, and local taxes, or notifying resellers of their own liabilities for any applicable local amusement taxes" (supra ¶ 33). If the majority is going to go to the trouble of modifying its
¶ 57 I would also point out that the Seventh Circuit saw no conflict between the statute and the ordinance either. In an opinion written by Chief Judge Easterbrook, that court noted that nothing in the Ticket Act's language would prohibit municipalities from labeling electronic commerce sites as agents. As for StubHub's attempt to try to get there through legislative history, the Seventh Circuit was having none of it, and assumed that this court would not do so either:
Apparently, that is what we do in Illinois.
¶ 58 The fact that the ordinance and the statute clearly do not conflict shows that the court has not adequately disposed of the City's argument that it has implied authority to collect its amusement tax. As we will see next, the court's seeing a conflict where none exists informs much of its erroneous home rule analysis as well.
¶ 60 The most troubling part of the court's opinion is its reasoning with respect to why the ordinance in question exceeds Chicago's home rule authority. If this decision is left to stand, then decades of this court's home rule jurisprudence have been swept aside, and this court has embarked on a course directly contrary to the state's constitutional design. This court holds today that the City exceeded its home rule authority by enacting an ordinance that requires internet auction listing services to collect and remit its amusement tax on resold tickets. According to the majority, this ordinance exceeds the City's home rule authority because the ordinance does not pertain to the City's government and affairs, as it must under section 6(a) of the Illinois Constitution (Ill. Const. 1970, art. VII, § 6(a)) to be a valid exercise of home rule authority.
¶ 61 Right off the bat, there would seem to be a fundamental problem with the majority's conclusion. Notably, the majority does not hold — nor could it — that the amusement tax itself exceeds the City's home rule authority. Clearly, the amusement tax pertains to the City's government and affairs. Not only is the tax specifically authorized by statute (see 65 ILCS 5/11-42-5 (West 2010)), but it is clearly an example of the most important type of power afforded to home rule units by the constitution. Although the constitution grants home rule units broad powers to perform any function pertaining to their government and affairs, it specifically lists four such powers: (1) "the power to regulate for the protection of the public health, safety, morals and welfare"; (2) "to license"; (3) "to tax"; and (4) "to incur debt." (Emphasis added.) Ill. Const. 1970, art. VII, § 6(a). As Professor Baum has explained, by listing the taxation power specifically in the constitution, "Illinois courts will not be able to hold, as have courts in other states, that the power of taxation is not a local power and therefore does not fall within the home rule grant." David C. Baum, A Tentative Survey of
¶ 62 The Local Government Committee of the 1970 constitutional convention explained that the powers to tax and to incur debt were the most important powers granted to home rule units because these powers "are essential if home-rule is to enable counties and municipalities to perform the functions demanded of them in this increasingly complex and urbanized world." Report of the Local Government Committee, 7 Record of Proceedings, Sixth Illinois Constitutional Convention 1625. The committee further explained that "[i]t is important for the proper functioning of state governments and the federal government that governments at the local level should have sufficient financial resources to carry on their proper activities." Id. at 1626. For this reason, the committee chose to specifically list the revenue and debt powers in section 6(a) and also to make it difficult for the legislature to deny these powers. Pursuant to section 6(g), denying the power of a home rule unit to tax requires a vote of three-fifths of both houses of the legislature. The reason for this is clear: "There appears to have been wide acceptance of the view that financial resources are the key to successful home rule, and that the state should not easily be able to prevent home rule units from obtaining resources by imposing local taxes (other than income, earnings and occupation taxes)."
¶ 63 There can be little question, then, that the City's amusement tax ordinance pertains to its government and affairs under section 6(a), and there is no statute denying home rule units the power to tax amusements, much less one enacted by three-fifths of both houses. The question that the court must answer, then, is this: If the amusement tax itself pertains to the City's government and affairs, then how can an ordinance whose sole purpose is to collect that very tax not pertain to the City's government and affairs? Indeed, if the ordinance in question does not pertain to the City's government and affairs, what does it pertain to? The majority opinion rests on a logical and analytical impossibility. The majority fails to answer these questions, instead merely confirming that it agrees that the amusement tax pertains to the City's government and affairs. So, according to the majority, taxing amusements in Chicago unquestionably falls squarely within the City's home rule powers, but actually collecting Chicago's amusement tax pertains only to the government and affairs of the state. Surely such a holding requires more explanation than the majority has provided.
¶ 64 Further complicating the problem for the majority, this court has explained
¶ 65 What I have stated above is sufficient, all by itself, to defeat the majority opinion, and I could easily end this dissent here. I believe that I must go on, however, because the analysis that the majority uses to invalidate the City's ordinance threatens to sweep away decades of this court's home rule jurisprudence and set us on a course directly contrary to our state's constitutional design. In short, the essence of the majority's approach is this. The majority sees in the Ticket Sale and Resale Act and its legislative history reason to believe that the area in question should be one of exclusive state control. The legislature has not, however, specifically preempted home rule in this area, so the court has taken it upon itself to judicially preempt the City's ordinance. The problem with this approach? This is the approach applied in many other states, and it is precisely what the framers of the 1970 Constitution intended to abolish.
¶ 66 Getting the easy matters out of the way first, there is no question that the legislature has not preempted home rule authority in the area in question. In order for the state to preempt home rule authority, the legislature must include language that specifically states that the area is one of exclusive state control. Ill. Const. 1970, art. VII, § 6(h); City of Chicago v. Roman,
This court formally adopted section 7 as part of its home rule jurisprudence in Schillerstrom Homes, Inc. v. City of Naperville, 198 Ill.2d 281, 287, 260 Ill.Dec. 835, 762 N.E.2d 494 (2001).
¶ 67 Here, there is no language in the Ticket Sale and Resale Act (or any other statute) excluding or limiting home rule authority to collect amusement taxes on resold tickets. Consequently, the City's power to act in this area may not be considered restricted. As if the above were not enough, I would also note that the legislature did not request a home rule note when enacting the amendment in question. Under section 5 of the Home Rule Note Act, "[e]very bill that denies or limits any power or function of a home rule unit shall have prepared for it before second reading in the house of introduction a brief explanatory note that includes a reliable estimate of the probable impact of the bill on the powers and functions of home rule units." 25 ILCS 75/5 (West 2010). A request for a home rule note may be made by the sponsor of the bill (25 ILCS 75/10 (West 2010)) or, if the sponsor believes no home rule note is necessary, by any member of either house, upon a majority vote (25 ILCS 75/15 (West 2010)). Here, no home rule note was requested as to House Bill 873 (94th General Assembly). Thus, in addition to failing to include any language in the Ticket Sale and Resale Act preempting or limiting home rule authority, the legislature did not follow the required procedures for denying or limiting a function of a home rule unit.
¶ 68 Faced with a belief that the area should be one of exclusive state control, but with no preemption language to rely on, the majority takes the only path available to it and declares the area to be one that does not pertain to the City's government and affairs under section 6(a) of the constitution. The majority notes that the framers acknowledged that section 6(a) would require judicial interpretation, and the majority relies on Professor Baum, who served as counsel to the Local Government Committee at the 1970 constitutional convention. The irony of citing Professor Baum is that the majority opinion is a textbook example of how Professor Baum argued that section 6(a) should not be used. Professor Baum pointed out that
¶ 69 Moving on, let us now consider how the majority uses section 6(a). The majority traces the history of the state's regulation of internet auctioneers and determines that the state has a greater interest than the City in this area. In other words, if the state has a history of comprehensively regulating an area, this court will step in and preempt home rule authority under section 6(a). Our case law holds the exact opposite. Here is what this court has actually held:
¶ 70 How does the majority arrive at its erroneous view of section 6(a)? The majority apparently believes that Kalodimos v. Village of Morton Grove, 103 Ill.2d 483, 83 Ill.Dec. 308, 470 N.E.2d 266 (1984), supports the idea that comprehensive regulation renders an area one of exclusive state control, but this is not what Kalodimos held. In Citizens Utilities, the defendant argued that because the Public Utilities Act comprehensively regulated public utilities, home rule units did not have the authority under section 6(a) of the constitution to enact an ordinance affecting the operations of a public utility. In a unanimous opinion authored by Justice Miller, this court rejected that proposition, explaining that, "[a]s stated in Kalodimos, the historic regulation of an area is merely one factor to consider in determining whether the area is of local dimension." (Emphasis added.) Citizens Utilities, 158 Ill.2d at 139, 198 Ill.Dec. 389, 632 N.E.2d 1000. It is not clear how we went from "merely one factor to consider" to the whole ball game. Further, even if Kalodimos did say what the majority claims it did, that position would not have survived Citizens Utilities, because, as this court explained in Roman, "[a]fter Citizens Utilities, `comprehensive scheme' preemption is `no longer the law of this state.'" Roman, 184 Ill.2d at 517, 235 Ill.Dec. 468, 705 N.E.2d 81.
¶ 71 Today's decision is unprecedented, as it marks the only time in this court's history that this court has ever invalidated an ordinance under section 6(a) solely on the basis of state regulation. That is the approach that the constitution was designed to eliminate, and the majority has put us right back to square one. As the City points out in its petition for rehearing, every case in which this court has invalidated a home rule ordinance under the "pertaining to" language of section 6(a) involves an ordinance that either: (1) had an obvious extraterritorial effect on at least one other local government; or (2) conflicted with another provision of the constitution.
¶ 72 What, then, is the proper approach to analyzing an ordinance under section
¶ 73 The problem with such an approach, as explained by Professor Baum, is that it is subversive of the constitution:
¶ 74 Despite the glaringly obvious problems with the Kalodimos approach, is it now "settled law" (supra ¶ 25), such that we have no choice but to follow this erroneous path unless solid grounds exist to depart from stare decisis? No. The reason this is so is that this court has also adopted a second, and contradictory, approach for when it will apply judicial preemption. As noted above, Professor Baum argued that, rather than having a flexible approach to section 6(a), the courts should step in only in the clearest cases of oppression, injustice, or interference with vital state policies. This court has specifically endorsed this approach. In Scadron, 153 Ill.2d at 190, 180 Ill.Dec. 77, 606 N.E.2d 1154, this court quoted the above language from Professor Baum and agreed that courts should apply judicial preemption only in these limited circumstances. This court expanded on this idea in Roman, when it quoted Professor Baum for the idea that the judiciary should preempt a home rule ordinance only "`in those few cases where vital state interests would be sacrificed by permitting the local legislation to prevail until the next session of the General Assembly.'" Roman, 184 Ill.2d at 519, 235 Ill.Dec. 468, 705 N.E.2d 81 (quoting 1972 U. Ill. L.F. at 573).
¶ 75 This court has treated the vital state policy approach as if it is a third "judicial preemption" step in the analysis to be considered after a court determines that a matter pertains to a home rule unit's government and affairs under section 6(a) and has also considered whether the legislature specifically preempted home rule authority (see Scadron, 153 Ill.2d at 174-90, 180 Ill.Dec. 77, 606 N.E.2d 1154; Roman, 184 Ill.2d at 512-19, 235 Ill.Dec. 468, 705 N.E.2d 81), as if the court invalidating an ordinance under the Kalodimos approach to section 6(a) would be something other than judicial preemption.
¶ 76 Notably, in the only area in which we have identified a vital state policy, we did not apply a Kalodimos-type approach to the section 6(a) question. Rather, we applied an approach just like the one advocated by Professor Baum. In County of Cook v. John Sexton Contractors Co., 75 Ill.2d 494, 514, 27 Ill.Dec. 489, 389 N.E.2d 553 (1979), the court held that, because of our constitution's expressed policy that it is the duty of each person and the state to "provide and maintain a healthful environment for the benefit of this and future generations" (Ill. Const. 1970, art. XI, § 1), home rule units could act in the area of environmental regulation only in a way that conformed to state legislation. However, the court did not doubt for an instant that the matter was one pertaining to the home rule unit's government and affairs under section 6(a) because our constitutional system is set up to recognize that both a home rule unit and the state may have a legitimate interest in the same issue. John Sexton Contractors, 75 Ill.2d at 508-11, 27 Ill.Dec. 489, 389 N.E.2d 553.
¶ 77 Clearly, this court should adopt either the Kalodimos approach or the one set forth in Scadron and Roman. It makes no sense to have both, and, indeed, it is impossible to have both. Between the two, I obviously advocate for the Scadron and Roman approach because the Kalodimos approach is contrary to the constitutional design. The Kalodimos approach improperly requires the court to choose whether the home rule unit or the state has a greater interest, when the whole point of the home rule provisions of the constitution is that both may have an interest. As Professor Baum explained, "home rule units are supposed to be free to carry on activities that relate to their communities even if the state also is interested and is active in the area." (Emphasis added.) 1972 U. Ill. L.F. at 155. That is the whole purpose of section 6(i), and a Kalodimos-type approach is contrary to the express language of that section.
¶ 78 The majority's response to the conflicting approaches in our case law is to acknowledge the conflict and then ignore it. The majority concedes that the vital state policy test this court has used makes sense only as a section 6(a) test. Supra ¶ 22 n. 2. However, the majority then proceeds right ahead with the Kalodimos approach, without making any attempt to
¶ 79 I would also point out that, even if we are going to keep the constitutionally suspect Kalodimos approach, this court should not do what the majority does here and consider the section 6(a) question without regard to whether the legislature has acted under the other subsections of section 6. In determining whether an area is one of statewide concern, how can this court not consider that the legislature has taken no steps under sections 6(g), (h), or (i) to make it one? In fact, this court has already held that the legislature's failure to act under the preemption sections is relevant to considering whether an ordinance pertains to a home rule unit's government and affairs. City of Evanston v. Create, Inc., 85 Ill.2d 101, 51 Ill.Dec. 688, 421 N.E.2d 196 (1981), was a case in which the defendant argued that Evanston's landlord and tenant ordinance was not a valid exercise of the city's home rule power under section 6(a). As part of this court's analysis, it noted that the legislature had taken no action under either section 6(g) or 6(h) to make it one. Id. at 109, 51 Ill.Dec. 688, 421 N.E.2d 196. This court even specifically held that, because the state had taken no specific action to make the area of landlord-tenant relations one of exclusive state control, the city's ordinance was a valid exercise of its powers under section 6(a). Id. at 115, 51 Ill.Dec. 688, 421 N.E.2d 196. Mulligan v. Dunne, 61 Ill.2d 544, 338 N.E.2d 6 (1975), is to the same effect. That was likewise a section 6(a) case, in which the plaintiffs argued that a Cook County tax on alcoholic beverages was beyond the County's home rule powers under section 6(a). This court rejected that argument and held that, because the legislature had not specifically preempted home rule authority, the tax was valid under section 6(a): "since the General Assembly has not by a three-fifths majority chosen to limit the power of home-rule units to tax liquor, Cook County has not exceeded its home-rule power under section 6(a) by the enactment of its liquor tax ordinance." Id. at 551, 338 N.E.2d 6. Applying the Mulligan analysis here, we could simply substitute "amusement" for "liquor" and "Chicago" for "Cook County" and hold that, "since the General Assembly has not by a three-fifths majority chosen to limit the power of home-rule units to tax amusements, Chicago has not exceeded its home-rule power under section 6(a) by the enactment of its amusement tax ordinance."
¶ 80 Even in Kalodimos, after this court set forth the constitutionally suspect test for section 6(a), this is how the court actually applied that test in the very next paragraph:
Thus, even Kalodimos recognized that the determination of whether an area was one pertaining to a home rule unit's government and affairs under section 6(a) could not be made without considering whether the state had acted to make the area one of exclusive state control. If the majority is wedded to the Kalodimos approach, then it should at least apply that approach the same way that Kalodimos did. The majority undertakes a section 6(a) analysis that is completely divorced from the way this court has previously analyzed section 6(a), and the revival of preemption by state regulation is therefore not surprising.
¶ 81 If considering the legislature's failure to act under the preemption sections merely made sense before the enactment of section 7 of the Statute on Statutes, it is mandatory after it. Again, this section very clearly establishes three things for laws enacted after January 12, 1977:(1) if the legislature intends to preempt home rule authority in its entirety, it will include specific language doing so; (2) if the legislature intends merely to limit home rule authority, it will state so specifically and will detail in what manner the power of home rule limits is limited; and (3) in the absence of any such language, the authority of home rule units cannot be considered restricted. How can it not be relevant to determining whether an issue is one appropriate for home rule power that the legislature has made no effort to make the area one of exclusive state control?
¶ 82 Moreover, even if the majority is committed to the Kalodimos test, and even if it does not apply that test in the same manner that this court always has, its conclusion is still not correct because it fails to properly balance the City's and the state's interests. The majority acknowledges that the City has a valid interest in collecting its amusement tax, but argues that the state has an interest in who does the collecting. Supra ¶ 27. But the City clearly wins when these interests are balanced because the only hope it has of collecting its amusement tax on resold tickets is if the internet auction listing service collects the tax. No one has seriously disputed the impracticality of the City going after every individual who resells a ticket online, and the City stands to lose all of this revenue if it may not designate internet auction listing services as reseller's agents. By contrast, the state's interests are vindicated either way. The majority states that the state has an interest in who does the collecting, but the state's policy is spelled out in the statute: it wants people reselling tickets only through those internet auction listing services that either collect amusement taxes or notify sellers of their obligation to do so. If the ordinance is upheld, the state's interests are 100% vindicated. For resold tickets for Chicago amusements, internet auction listing services will be collecting the amusement tax. Thus, any balancing of the interests weighs in favor of the City, not the state. And, again, here we may concern ourselves only with the statute that the legislature actually enacted, not the statute that any individual state legislator thought was enacted.
¶ 83 Because the Kalodimos test is indefensible on its face, however, we should put it to rest once and for all. I would analyze the section 6(a) "pertaining to" question as follows. First, consistent with our case law, I would consider whether the City's ordinance conflicted with a provision of the constitution or had an obvious extraterritorial effect. StubHub has not identified a provision of the constitution that would prohibit home rule units from requiring electronic intermediaries to collect amusement taxes on resold tickets. StubHub
¶ 84 Next, consistent with Professor Baum's recommended approach to section 6(a), endorsed by this court in Scadron and Roman, I would consider whether the ordinance is oppressive, unjust, or interferes with vital state policies. There is obviously nothing oppressive or unjust about the City's ordinance. Moreover, it is not even arguable that a vital state policy is involved. "Vital" means "of the utmost importance: essential to the continued existence, vigor, efficiency, independence, or value of something expressed or implied" (Webster's Third New International Dictionary 2558 (1993)) or "essential to the existence or continuance of something; indispensable * * * of crucial importance" (Webster's New World Dictionary 1589 (2d coll. ed. 1986)). And, as this court explained in Roman, the vital state policy exception is so narrow that it is to be invoked only in those situations where the policy is so vital that we literally cannot wait for the next session of the General Assembly to take action. Roman, 184 Ill.2d at 519, 235 Ill.Dec. 468, 705 N.E.2d 81 (quoting 1972 U. Ill. L.F. at 572-73). To date, the only time that this court has arguably found a policy to be a "vital state policy" was in the realm of environmental protection, and that was because such a policy is declared in the constitution. See John Sexton Contractors, 75 Ill.2d at 514-15, 27 Ill.Dec. 489, 389 N.E.2d 553.
¶ 85 Here is how the John Sexton Contractors court arrived at its conclusion. In that case, the issue was whether a contractor who wished to operate a sanitary landfill in unincorporated Cook County had to comply both with the Environmental Protection Act (Ill.Rev.Stat.1977, ch. 111½, ¶ 1001 et seq.) and a zoning ordinance promulgated pursuant to the County's home rule powers. This court categorically rejected the notion that the state's comprehensive regulation of environmental matters was determinative of the issue and noted that the legislature had not specifically denied or limited home rule power in this area. John Sexton Contractors, 75 Ill.2d at 510, 27 Ill.Dec. 489, 389 N.E.2d 553. However, this court noted that, in City of Chicago v. Pollution Control Board, 59 Ill.2d 484, 322 N.E.2d 11 (1974), it had modified the doctrine of home rule precedence in the field of environmental regulation because of the following policy statement in the constitution:
The City of Chicago court had examined the constitutional history and determined that the framers intended that the legislature would provide leadership and uniform standards on pollution control. City of Chicago, 59 Ill.2d at 489, 322 N.E.2d 11. Thus, the John Sexton Contractors court determined that, "as applied to environmental pollution, home rule governmental units are limited to adopting only those uniform standards established by the Board pursuant to legislative authority."
¶ 86 It should be noted that, although the majority endorses the Kalodimos approach, it does also attempt to argue that a vital state policy is involved here. Without even acknowledging our case law's requirement that a vital state policy come from the constitution, the majority claims that the state has a vital interest here, but it never explains why it is any more "vital" than anything else that the state is interested in. So, to date, this court has now identified two vital state policies: (1) the right of every citizen to a healthful environment (John Sexton Contractors, 75 Ill.2d at 514-15, 27 Ill.Dec. 489, 389 N.E.2d 553); and (2) regulating the emerging market for online ticket resales (supra ¶ 27). The majority cannot be using the generally accepted meanings of the word "vital" that I set forth above, for if the latter is a vital state policy, then everything is.
¶ 87 In sum, the City has convinced me that the court should grant rehearing. This court has revived the thoroughly repudiated doctrine of comprehensive regulation preemption and adopted an analysis that is diametrically opposed to what the framers intended. To make matters worse, the court does so in a case in which there is no comprehensive regulation conflicting with the ordinance. Nothing in the plain language of the Ticket Sale and Resale Act contradicts the City's ordinance. The statute and the ordinance can easily stand together. If the majority's analysis is allowed to stand, then countless home rule ordinances have been put at risk, and the courts will likely soon begin invalidating ordinances that the legislature had no intention of preempting. According to the majority, this court may now invalidate any home rule ordinance in any area of the law where the state has a greater interest and a more traditional role. Supra ¶ 36. This is not what the constitution says, and it is not what the framers intended. Indeed, this position threatens to nullify section 6(i) of the constitution, which specifically recognizes that home rule units are free to carry on activities even in areas where the state is also interested and active. I do not mean to suggest, of course, that good reasons do not exist for home rule to be preempted or restricted in this area. The policy reasons put forth by StubHub are compelling, and the legislative history shows that at least some legislators believed that this should be an area of exclusive state control. Whether an area should be one of exclusive state control, however, is an entirely separate question from whether the legislature has done what it needs to do and what it has said it would do to make the area one of exclusive state control. Clearly, the legislature has not done what it needs to do under the constitution, this court's case law, or section 7 of the Statute on Statutes, and no justification exists for this court to do the legislature's job for it. If this court's home rule precedents are to have any meaning at all, and if we are going to enforce the home rule provisions of the constitution as the framers intended, then this opinion must be withdrawn and rehearing granted. I will close with the words of Justice Miller, one of the court's strongest voices in favor of home rule autonomy. Writing for a unanimous court in Citizens Utilities Co., 158 Ill.2d at 142-43,
It has now been over 40 years since the effective date of the 1970 Illinois Constitution, and Justice Miller's words ring truer than ever.
¶ 88 Chief Justice KILBRIDE and Justice KARMEIER join in this dissent.