United States Court of Appeals
                              FOR THE EIGHTH CIRCUIT
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                                    No. 07-1337
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United States of America,                *
                                         *
      Plaintiff - Appellee,              *
                                         * Appeal from the United States
      v.                                 * District Court for the
                                         * Southern District of Iowa.
Antonio Ray Liddell,                     *
                                         *
      Defendant - Appellant.             *
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                               Submitted: October 16, 2007
                                   Filed: February 25, 2008
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Before LOKEN, Chief Judge, GRUENDER and BENTON, Circuit Judges.
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LOKEN, Chief Judge.

       Antonio Ray Liddell pleaded guilty to being a felon in possession of a firearm
in violation of 18 U.S.C. §§ 922(g)(1) and 924(a)(2). As permitted by a condition in
his plea agreement, Liddell now appeals the denial of his motion to suppress a post-
arrest statement made without the warnings required by Miranda v. Arizona, 

 (1966). We agree with the district court1 that the arresting officers’ in-custody
questioning fell within the public safety exception to Miranda established in New
York v. Quarles, 

 (1984). Accordingly, we affirm.

      1
       The HONORABLE JAMES E. GRITZNER, United States District Judge for
the Southern District of Iowa.
       The following facts are undisputed. At approximately 12:45 a.m., Police
Officer Michael Adney stopped a car driven by Liddell for a loud music violation.
Adney arrested Liddell when a check revealed that he was barred from driving in
Iowa. After the arrest, a pat-down search uncovered a bag of marijuana, $183 in cash,
and two cell phones. Adney handcuffed Liddell and placed him in the patrol car.
Meanwhile, Police Officer Jon Melvin arrived to assist and began to search Liddell’s
car incident to the arrest. When Melvin discovered an unloaded .38 caliber revolver
under the front seat, he showed the gun to Adney and asked whether Liddell’s person
had been thoroughly searched after the arrest.

       Adney removed Liddell from the patrol car and asked, referring to Liddell’s car,
“Is there anything else in there we need to know about?” Melvin added, “That’s
gonna hurt us?” Adney repeated, “That’s gonna hurt us? Since we found the pistol
already.” Liddell laughed and said, “I knew it was there but . . . it’s not mine,” before
telling the officers there were no other weapons in his car. Melvin completed the
search of the car, finding .38 caliber ammunition and rolling papers used to make
marijuana cigarettes.

        Charged with unlawful possession of the firearm and with unrelated drug
offenses, Liddell entered a conditional plea of guilty to the felon-in-possession charge
after the district court denied a motion to suppress his highly incriminating statement
that he knew the .38 revolver was under the front seat of his car. In the district court
and on appeal, the government conceded that Liddell was in custody and had not been
given Miranda warnings at the time the officers asked the question that elicited this
incriminating statement. Thus, the issue is whether the statement is admissible under
the public safety exception to Miranda as articulated by the Supreme Court in Quarles
and applied by this court in United States v. Williams, 

 (8th Cir. 1999),
and United States v. Luker, 

 (8th Cir.), cert. denied, 

 (2005).
“Whether facts support an exception to the Miranda requirement is a question of law”
that we review de novo. United States v. Lackey, 

, 1226 (10th Cir.),

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cert. denied, 

 (2003); accord United States v. Talley, 

, 561
(6th Cir. 2001).

       In Quarles, the Supreme Court held that “there is a ‘public safety’ exception to
the requirement that Miranda warnings be given before a suspect’s answers may be
admitted into evidence.” 467 U.S. at 655. In this context, protection of the public
safety includes protection of the police officers themselves. Id. at 658 n.7, 659. The
exception does not depend upon the subjective motivation of the questioning officers.
Instead, the Court adopted an objective standard: the exception applies when “police
officers ask questions reasonably prompted by a concern for the public safety.” Id.
at 656, quoted in Williams, 181 F.3d at 953. It does not apply to “questions designed
solely to elicit testimonial evidence from a suspect.” 467 U.S. at 659.2

       Liddell argues that the public safety exception does not apply because, at the
time the officers asked the question that prompted his incriminating admission, “there
was no longer an objective reasonable need to protect the police or the public from
any immediate danger” because the revolver had been found, Liddell was handcuffed
and under the control of the two officers, and there were no passengers or nearby
members of the public who could have accessed or been harmed by the contents of
Liddell’s car. The district court rejected this contention, explaining:




      2
       Because this is an objective standard, and because police officers must react
spontaneously to situations posing a threat to public safety, the public safety exception
does not turn on the specific form of questions asked. See Williams, 181 F.3d at 953
n.13; United States v. Newton, 

, 678-79 & n.8 (2d Cir. 2004). There can
be no doubt that the question posed by the officers in this case was sufficiently
focused on public safety to trigger the public safety exception. By contrast, the Court
explained in Quarles, 467 U.S. at 659 n.8, the post-arrest questioning without Miranda
warnings in Orozco v. Texas, 

, 325-26 (1969), was “clearly
investigatory.”

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      The discovery of a firearm hidden in a vehicle would lead an officer to
      have an objectively reasonable concern that other, possibly loaded,
      firearms may also be in the vehicle which could cause harm to an officer
      if they were to happen upon them unexpectedly or mishandle them in
      some way. The accidental discovery of additional weapons poses a
      threat to officer safety and at the time the officers conducted their limited
      questioning of [Liddell], given the information then known to them, it
      was reasonable for the officers to believe this threat existed. There was
      no way for Officer Melvin or Officer Adney to know that the firearm
      found under the driver’s seat was ultimately the only weapon or
      dangerous device located inside of the vehicle.

       The district court’s analysis is consistent with this court’s controlling
precedents. Our prior cases recognized that the risk of police officers being injured
by the mishandling of unknown firearms or drug paraphernalia provides a sufficient
public safety basis to ask a suspect who has been arrested and secured whether there
are weapons or contraband in a car or apartment that the police are about to search.
See Luker, 395 F.3d at 832 (public safety exception applied to post-arrest question
whether there was anything in intoxicated driver’s car the police should know about);
Williams, 181 F.3d at 953-54 (public safety exception applied to post-arrest question,
“is there anything we need to be aware of” in the suspect’s apartment, because the
police “could not have known whether other hazardous weapons were present . . . that
could cause them harm if they happened upon them unexpectedly or mishandled them
in some way”). Accord Lackey, 334 F.3d at 1227-28; contra United States v.
Williams, 

, 428 (6th Cir. 2007). Here, when the officers found Liddell’s
concealed .38 caliber revolver, they had good reason to be concerned that additional




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weapons might pose a threat to their safety when they searched Liddell’s car incident
to a late-night arrest.

      The judgment of the district court is affirmed.

GRUENDER, Circuit Judge, concurring.

       Based on our circuit’s precedents, I concur in the opinion of the Court.
However, I write separately to explain my concern that our decisions applying the
public safety exception to Miranda have strayed from the Supreme Court’s tethering
of the exception to the existence of exigent circumstances.3

       As an alternative rationale in Williams and then followed in Luker, this court
held that the public safety exception to Miranda applies to situations where a police
officer could happen upon weapons or needles “unexpectedly or mishandle[] them in
some way.” Williams, 181 F.3d at 954. In so holding, this court applied the exception
to the possible handling of an inherently dangerous instrumentality but neglected the
Supreme Court’s requirement of exigent circumstances associated with recovering the
item. Therefore, I concur in the Court’s opinion in this case, even though this record
is bereft of evidence of exigent circumstances associated with the possible discovery
of a weapon in Liddell’s vehicle.

       In Quarles, the Supreme Court recognized the public safety exception to
Miranda and premised the applicability of this “narrow exception to the Miranda
rule” on exigent circumstances. 467 U.S. at 658. There, Quarles, accused of armed
rape, fled into a supermarket. When Quarles was arrested moments later, the police
officers found him wearing an empty holster. Before giving Miranda warnings, the


      3
       Exigent means “[r]equiring immediate action or aid; urgent.” Black’s Law
Dictionary 614 (8th ed. 2004).

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officers asked where the gun was located, and Quarles directed them to the gun’s
location. The Supreme Court upheld the admission into evidence of Quarles’
statement because “[s]o long as the gun was concealed somewhere in the supermarket,
with its actual whereabouts unknown, it obviously posed more than one danger to the
public safety: an accomplice might make use of it, a customer or employee might later
come upon it.” Id. at 657. The Supreme Court stated that “[t]he exception will not
be difficult for police officers to apply because in each case it will be circumscribed
by the exigency which justifies it.” Id. at 658. Throughout the opinion, the Court
focused on the urgency of the situation. See, e.g., id. at 657-58 (“We decline to place
officers . . . in the untenable position of having to consider, often in a matter of
seconds, whether it best serves society for them to ask the necessary questions without
the Miranda warnings and render whatever probative evidence they uncover
inadmissible, or for them to give the warnings in order to preserve the admissibility
of evidence they might uncover but possibly damage or destroy their ability to obtain
that evidence and neutralize the volatile situation confronting them.”); id. at 658
(“[W]e recognize here the importance of a workable rule to guide police officers, who
have only limited time and expertise to reflect on and balance the social and individual
interests involved in the specific circumstances they confront.”). The Supreme Court
did not express any concern that a trained police officer discovering a weapon in an
otherwise secured environment would justify applying the exception. Rather, the
Court did express that the exception would apply when the public “might later come
upon [the weapon],” thereby creating an immediately dangerous situation. Id. at 657.

        The Supreme Court further stated that the public safety exception to Miranda
applies when officers ask “questions reasonably prompted by a concern for the public
safety” and not to “questions designed solely to elicit testimonial evidence from a
suspect.” Id. at 656, 659. However, the Court clarified that the exigency of the
situation would distinguish between these types of questions. Id. at 659 n.8. To
illustrate this point, the Court compared Quarles with Orozco v. Texas, 

(1969). Id. In Orozco, four police officers entered Orozco’s boardinghouse and

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awakened him. 394 U.S. at 325. Without giving Miranda warnings, the officers
interrogated Orozco about a murder committed four hours earlier. The police asked
if he had been present at the scene of the shooting, whether he owned a gun and where
the gun was located. The defendant admitted that he was present at the scene, that he
owned a pistol and that the pistol was located in the washing machine in a backroom
of the boardinghouse. The Orozco Court held that all the statements should have been
suppressed. Id. at 327. The Quarles Court stated:

      In Orozco, however, the questions about the gun were clearly
      investigatory; they did not in any way relate to an objectively reasonable
      need to protect the police or the public from any immediate danger
      associated with the weapon. In short there was no exigency requiring
      immediate action by the officers beyond the normal need expeditiously
      to solve a serious crime.

Quarles, 467 U.S. at 659 n.8 (emphasis added). Because the police reasonably
suspected that Orozco committed murder with a gun, there existed a realistic
possibility that the weapon was hidden somewhere in the boardinghouse. Had the
Supreme Court believed the public safety exception applied to situations where
officers could happen upon weapons “unexpectedly or mishandle[] them in some
way,” then the public safety exception would have been applicable in Orozco.
However, the Quarles Court did not indicate that the inherent danger of a trained
police officer discovering a weapon by itself was sufficient to justify the application
of the exception. As I read Quarles, the public safety exception to Miranda applies
only when (1) an immediate danger to the police officers or the public exists, or (2)
when the public may later come upon a weapon and thereby create an immediately
dangerous situation. Therefore, the public safety exception to Miranda would not
apply to situations where officers could happen upon a weapon “unexpectedly or
mishandle[] them in some way,” unless some evidence of exigency is presented.



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       The record in this case does not establish the existence of exigent
circumstances. Here, the police had removed Liddell from his vehicle, handcuffed
him, conducted a pat-down search, and placed him into their patrol car. After the
officers had secured both Liddell and his car, they began searching his vehicle. Upon
finding an unloaded .38 caliber revolver under the front seat, the officers asked if
anything else in the car could hurt them. After a discussion with Liddell, the officers
completed the search of Liddell’s car. Although the search of a vehicle that
potentially contains a loaded weapon may well be inherently dangerous, the record
does not establish that any immediate danger existed as a result of the possible
presence of such a weapon in Liddell’s car or that the public might have later come
upon a weapon. There was no evidence, for instance, supporting the necessity of an
immediate search or continued search of the vehicle by the officers, either because of
some immediate safety concern or because the vehicle was to be left unsecured by the
roadside where the public might gain access to any weapon left in it. Because Liddell
was arrested for driving while barred, there was no immediate danger that Liddell
would be allowed to return to his car where he might have access to a hidden weapon.
Furthermore, there was no evidence that the officers could not safely impound and
tow Liddell’s car in order to conduct a search of it at a later time. Based on the record
developed in the district court, the public safety concern was not related to any exigent
circumstances but rather limited to the fact that the officers might have unexpectedly
encountered or mishandled a weapon hidden in Liddell’s vehicle.

       Although the First Circuit agrees with our precedents, three other circuits do
not. Compare United States v. Fox, 

 (1st Cir. 2004) (applying the public
safety exception on similar facts as in this case), with United States v. Mobley, 

 (4th Cir. 1994), United States v. Raborn, 

 (5th Cir. 1989), and
United States v. Williams, 

 (6th Cir. 2007). In Mobley, agents arrested
the defendant at his front door and made a security sweep of the apartment, which
revealed that Mobley was alone. 40 F.3d at 690. With Mobley outside of the
apartment, the agents asked him whether anything in the apartment could be of danger

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to the agents who would be conducting the search. The Fourth Circuit held that the
public safety exception to Miranda did not apply because the police had already
secured the apartment and determined that no one else was present. Id. at 693; see
also United States v. Melvin, 

 (4th Cir. 2007) (per curium) (relying
on Mobley, the court held that the public safety exception did not apply where officers
questioned Mobley about whether he had a weapon in his car when the car was
secured and already heading to the impound lot). In Raborn, upon being stopped by
DEA agents, Raborn exited his truck, removed a pistol from his holster and placed it
inside the vehicle. 872 F.2d at 592. The agents handcuffed Raborn and the other
passenger and placed them on the ground outside. Unable to locate the gun after a
search of the front seat, one of the officers asked Raborn where he had placed it.
Raborn replied that the gun was under the seat cover. The Fifth Circuit stated that
“[the vehicle] had already been seized and only the police officers had access to the
truck. It is difficult therefore, to find that the public-safety exception applies.” Id. at
595. Finally, the Sixth Circuit has held that the public safety exception to Miranda
applies only if “(1) . . . the defendant might have (or recently have had) a weapon, and
(2) . . . someone other than police might gain access to that weapon and inflict harm
with it.” Williams, 483 F.3d at 428.

       Based on Quarles and the limited record before us, I would conclude that the
public safety exception to Miranda would not apply because there is no evidence that
an immediate danger existed as a result of the possible presence of such a weapon in
Liddell’s car or that the public might have later come upon such a weapon.
Nonetheless, the public safety exception to Miranda applies because the fact that the
officers might have unexpectedly encountered or mishandled a weapon hidden in
Liddell’s vehicle alone is sufficient to justify the application of the exception under
Williams and Luker.
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