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                                                                         [PUBLISH]



               IN THE UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS

                        FOR THE ELEVENTH CIRCUIT
                          ________________________

                                 No. 16-10874
                           ________________________

                     D.C. Docket No. 1:15-cr-20621-FAM-1



UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,

                                                            Plaintiff-Appellee,

                                       versus

MICHAEL ST. HUBERT,
                                                           Defendant-Appellant.

                           ________________________

                   Appeal from the United States District Court
                       for the Southern District of Florida
                         ________________________

                               (November 15, 2018)

Before MARCUS, ANDERSON and HULL, Circuit Judges.

HULL, Circuit Judge:

      We sua sponte vacate our panel opinion, United States v. St. Hubert, 

(11th Cir. 2018) (“St. Hubert I”), and issue this new opinion. In this
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direct appeal, Michael St. Hubert challenges his two firearm convictions under 18

U.S.C. § 924(c) claiming his predicate Hobbs Act robbery and attempted robbery

offenses do not constitute crimes of violence under § 924(c)(3). After oral

argument in 2018, we affirmed St. Hubert’s § 924(c) firearm convictions,

concluding his predicate robbery offenses qualified as crimes of violence under

both the residual and elements clauses in § 924(c)(3). St. Hubert 

.

       Below we expressly readopt and reinstate in full Sections I, II, III(A), and

III(C) of our panel opinion in St. Hubert I just as previously written. Section III(B)

of our prior opinion affirmed St. Hubert’s convictions under the residual clause

based on the panel opinion in Ovalles v. United States, 

(11th Cir.

2017). In Section III(B), we again affirm under the residual clause, but do so

based on our en banc decision in Ovalles v. United States, 

(11th Cir.

Oct. 4, 2018) (en banc) (“Ovalles II”). We also readopt and reinstate Section IV of

our prior panel opinion with some additional analysis along the way. 1

                              I. BACKGROUND FACTS

A.     Indictment

       On August 11, 2015, St. Hubert was indicted on thirteen counts in

connection with a series of five robberies and one attempted robbery committed in

       1
        For clarity, we have vacated and have not readopted Sections V and VI of our prior
panel opinion in St. Hubert I.


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southern Florida between December 23, 2014 and January 27, 2015. Counts 1, 3,

5, 7, 9, and 11 contained the six robbery counts. Five counts charged that St.

Hubert committed a Hobbs Act robbery, and one count charged an attempted

robbery, all in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1951(b).

      Counts 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, and 12 were § 924(c) firearm counts and charged St.

Hubert with knowingly using, carrying, and possessing a firearm during, in relation

to, and in furtherance of a crime of violence, in violation of 18 U.S.C.

§ 924(c)(1)(A). Each § 924(c) firearm count specifically identified and charged

that the predicate crime of violence was one of the five Hobbs Act robberies or the

attempted Hobbs Act robbery charged in the six substantive robbery counts. Each

§ 924(c) firearm count also charged St. Hubert with brandishing the firearm in

violation of 18 U.S.C. § 924(c)(1)(A)(ii).

      Count 13 charged St. Hubert with knowingly possessing a firearm and

ammunition after having been previously convicted of a felony, in violation of 18

U.S.C. § 922(g)(1).

      Ultimately, St. Hubert pled guilty to the two § 924(c) firearm counts

contained in Counts 8 and 12. Therefore, only Counts 8 and 12 (the firearm

offenses), which expressly incorporated as predicates the robberies in Counts 7 and

11, are relevant to this appeal. We set out the allegations in those counts.




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      More specifically, Count 8 charged that St. Hubert used and carried a

firearm during the Hobbs Act robbery in Count 7, stating that St. Hubert:

      did knowingly use and carry a firearm during and in relation to a
      crime of violence, and did knowingly possess a firearm in furtherance
      of a crime of violence, an offense for which the defendant may be
      prosecuted in a court of the United States, specifically, a violation of
      Title 18, United States Code, Section 1951(a), as alleged in Count 7 of
      this Indictment, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section
      924(c)(1)(A).

      Pursuant to Title 18, United States Code, Section 924(c)(1)(A)(ii), it is
      further alleged that the firearm was brandished.

In turn, Count 7 charged that St. Hubert committed the Hobbs Act robbery of an

AutoZone store in Hollywood, Florida on January 21, 2015, stating St. Hubert:

      did knowingly obstruct, delay, and affect commerce and the
      movement of articles and commodities in commerce, by means of
      robbery, as the terms “commerce” and “robbery” are defined in Title
      18, United States Code, Sections 1951(b)(1) and (b)(3), in that the
      defendant did take property from the person and in the presence of
      persons employed by AutoZone, located at 1513 North State Road 7,
      Hollywood, Florida 33021, a business and company operating in
      interstate and foreign commerce, against the will of those persons, by
      means of actual and threatened force, violence, and fear of injury to
      said persons, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section
      1951(a).

(emphasis added).

      Count 12 charged that St. Hubert used and carried a firearm on January 27,

2015 during the attempted Hobbs Act robbery in Count 11, stating that St. Hubert:

      did knowingly use and carry a firearm during and in relation to a
      crime of violence, and did knowingly possess a firearm in furtherance
      of a crime of violence, an offense for which the defendant may be

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      prosecuted in a court of the United States, specifically, a violation of
      Title 18, United States Code, Section 1951(a), as alleged in Count 11
      of this Indictment, in violation of Title 18, United States Code,
      Section 924(c)(1)(A).

      Pursuant to Title 18, United States Code, Section 924(c)(1)(A)(ii), it is
      further alleged that the firearm was brandished.

Count 11, in turn, charged that St. Hubert committed the attempted Hobbs Act

robbery of an AutoZone store in Miami, Florida on January 27, 2015, stating that

St. Hubert:

      did knowingly attempt to obstruct, delay, and affect commerce and the
      movement of articles and commodities in commerce, by means of
      robbery, as the terms “commerce” and “robbery” are defined in Title
      18, United States Code, Sections 1951(b)(1) and (b)(3), in that the
      defendant did attempt to take property from the person and in the
      presence of persons employed by AutoZone, located at 

      Street, Miami, Florida 33138, a business and company operating in
      interstate and foreign commerce, against the will of those persons, by
      means of actual and threatened force, violence, and fear of injury to
      said persons, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section
      1951(a).

(emphasis added).

B.    Motion to Dismiss Indictment

      On December 22, 2015, St. Hubert filed a motion to dismiss the § 924(c)

firearm counts in his indictment. St. Hubert’s motion argued that “[t]he 924(c)

Counts fail to state an offense because the Hobbs Act charges upon which they are

predicated do not qualify as ‘crime[s] of violence’: Hobbs Act ‘robbery’ does not

fall within the definition of 18 U.S.C. § 924(c)’s ‘force clause,’ and § 924(c)’s



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residual clause is unconstitutionally vague under Johnson v. United States, __ U.S.

__, 

(2015).” The district court denied St. Hubert’s motion.

C.    Guilty Plea Colloquy Outlined the Offense Conduct

      Subsequently, during a February 16, 2016 hearing, pursuant to a written plea

agreement, St. Hubert pled guilty to Counts 8 and 12, both § 924(c) firearm crimes,

in exchange for dismissal of the other eleven counts. The predicate crimes in

Counts 8 and 12, respectively, were the Hobbs Act robbery on January 21 and the

attempted Hobbs Act robbery on January 27. We recount the offense conduct

which St. Hubert admitted during his plea colloquy.

      On January 21, 2015, St. Hubert robbed with a firearm an AutoZone store

located at North State Road 7 in Hollywood, Florida. At approximately 8:00 p.m.,

St. Hubert entered the store wearing a gray and yellow striped hoodie. St. Hubert

brandished a firearm and directed three store employees to the rear of the store. St.

Hubert demanded that the employees place money from the store’s safe inside one

of the store’s plastic bags and threatened to shoot them. Approximately $2,300

was stolen during the robbery. Two of the three employees subsequently identified

St. Hubert in a six-person photographic array.

      On January 27, 2015, St. Hubert attempted to rob with a firearm a different

AutoZone store located at 59 Northeast 79th Street in Miami, Florida. At

approximately 7:00 p.m., St. Hubert entered the store wearing a gray Old Navy



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hoodie. St. Hubert proceeded to hold a firearm against the side of one employee

and directed a second employee to open the store safe.

       As this was occurring, the second employee noticed a City of Miami Police

Department vehicle outside the store and ran out of the door to request help. St.

Hubert then fled in a blue Mercury sedan which was registered in his name and to

his home address. A subsequent car chase led law enforcement officials to St.

Hubert, who was arrested at his residence. Both AutoZone employees later

identified St. Hubert in a showup.

       During subsequent valid and authorized searches of St. Hubert’s residence,

law enforcement officers located both the gray and yellow striped hoodie worn by

St. Hubert during the January 21st robbery, and the gray Old Navy hoodie worn by

St. Hubert during the January 27th attempted robbery. DNA recovered from both

hoodies matched St. Hubert’s DNA. During the execution of a search warrant for

St. Hubert’s vehicle, law enforcement officials located a firearm and ammunition.2

       During the plea colloquy, the district court also recited the firearm charge set

forth in Count 8 and explained that the predicate crime of violence was St.

Hubert’s AutoZone robbery charged in Count 7. The district court also recited the

firearm charge set forth in Count 12 and explained that the predicate crime of

       2
         Cell site records show that on January 27th, 2015, St. Hubert’s phone was in the
immediate vicinity of the AutoZone store located at 59 Northeast 79th Street, Miami, Florida
shortly before the attempted robbery. The cell site records also show that St. Hubert’s phone was
in the immediate vicinity of his residence shortly after the attempted robbery.


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violence was his attempted AutoZone robbery charged in Count 11. St. Hubert

confirmed that he understood the charges and that he was pleading guilty to both

Counts 8 and 12. St. Hubert also affirmed that he was pleading guilty because he

was in fact guilty. The district court found that St. Hubert’s guilty plea was freely

and voluntarily entered, accepted his guilty plea and found him guilty.

D.    Sentencing

      On February 16, 2016, the district court sentenced St. Hubert to 84

months’ imprisonment on Count 8 and to 300 consecutive months’

imprisonment on Count 12.

      St. Hubert timely appealed.

                        II. WAIVER BY GUILTY PLEA

      On appeal, St. Hubert asks the Court to vacate his convictions and sentences.

He does not dispute that he committed the Hobbs Act robbery and attempted

robbery of the AutoZone stores and used a firearm in doing so. St. Hubert also

does not challenge the validity of his guilty plea. Rather, St. Hubert contends that

Hobbs Act robbery and attempted robbery do not qualify as crimes of violence

under 18 U.S.C. § 924(c), and therefore he pled guilty to what he terms a non-

offense.

      In response, the government argues that St. Hubert waived those claims

when he knowingly and voluntarily pled guilty to Counts 8 and 12. St. Hubert



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counters that his § 924(c) claim is jurisdictional and thus not waivable. At the

outset, we point out that St. Hubert’s appeal actually raises two distinct claims, one

constitutional and the other statutory in nature.

       St. Hubert’s constitutional claim involves § 924(c)(3)(B). St. Hubert’s

constitutional claim is that: (1) § 924(c)(3)(B)’s residual clause definition of crime

of violence is unconstitutionally vague in light of Johnson v. United States, 576

U.S. ___, 

(2015); and (2) thus that unconstitutional part of the

statute cannot be used to convict him.

       St. Hubert’s statutory claim involves § 924(c)(3)(A). Specifically, St.

Hubert says that Hobbs Act robbery and attempted robbery categorically do not

qualify as crimes of violence under the other statutory definition of crime of

violence in § 924(c)(3)(A)’s use-of-force clause. Consequently, before we can

address the merits of St. Hubert’s § 924(c) claims, we must first determine whether

St. Hubert has waived them. 3

A.     Constitutional Challenge to § 924(c)(3)(B)

       The Supreme Court recently spoke directly to whether a guilty plea waives a

constitutional challenge to a statute of conviction. We start with that case.




       3
         We review de novo whether a defendant’s unconditional guilty plea waives his right to
bring a particular claim on appeal. See United States v. Patti, 

, 1320 & n.4 (11th
Cir. 2003).


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      In Class v. United States, the defendant pled guilty and was convicted under

40 U.S.C. § 5104(e), which prohibits the carrying of a firearm “on the Grounds or

in any of the Capitol Buildings.” Class v. United States, 583 U.S. ___, 

, 802 (2018). On appeal, the defendant argued that this statute violated the

Second Amendment and the Due Process Clause. 

Court

concluded that the defendant’s voluntary and unconditional guilty plea by itself did

not waive his right to challenge on direct appeal the constitutionality of that statute

of conviction. 

      Prior to Class, this Court had already reached the same conclusion in United

States v. Saac, 

, 1208 (11th Cir. 2011) (concluding that the

“defendants did not waive their argument” that Congress exceeded its authority

under Article I, Section 8, Clause 10 of the Constitution when it enacted the Drug

Trafficking Vessel Interdiction Act, 18 U.S.C. § 2285, the statute of conviction,

“insofar as this claim goes to the legitimacy of the offense that defendants’

indictment charged”).

      Here, St. Hubert argues that he cannot be convicted under § 924(c)(3)(B)

because that provision is unconstitutionally vague. Like the defendants in Class

and Saac, St. Hubert’s guilty plea in this case does not bar his claim that this

statute of conviction is unconstitutional.




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B.    Statutory Claim as to § 924(c)(3)(A)

      Neither Class nor Saac involved the other type of claim St. Hubert raises on

appeal, a statutory claim about whether an offense qualifies under the remaining

definition of crime of violence in § 924(c)(3)(A). Thus, these decisions do not

directly answer the question of whether St. Hubert’s unconditional guilty plea

waived that statutory claim. To answer that question, we must determine the

precise nature of St. Hubert’s statutory claim.

      St. Hubert pled guilty to using, carrying, and brandishing a firearm during

two crimes of violence, affirmatively identified in the indictment as Hobbs Act

robbery and attempted Hobbs Act robbery. St. Hubert claims that Hobbs Act

robbery and attempted Hobbs Act robbery do not qualify as predicate crimes of

violence under § 924(c)(3)(A), and thus he pled guilty to a non-offense that the

government did not have the power to prosecute. St. Hubert argues this claim

cannot be waived because it raises “jurisdictional” defects in his indictment.

      In response, the government contends that the district court had jurisdiction,

i.e., the power to act, pursuant to 18 U.S.C. § 3231 because St. Hubert’s indictment

alleged violations of 18 U.S.C. § 924(c), a law of the United States, and whether

Hobbs Act robbery and attempted robbery are crimes of violence under

§ 924(c)(3)(A) goes merely to the sufficiency of his indictment and raises only

non-jurisdictional defects, which can be waived.



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      Because the government relies on United States v. Cotton, 

, 

(2002), we discuss it first. In Cotton, the defendants were charged with

a cocaine conspiracy under 21 U.S.C. §§ 841(a)(1) and 846, but the indictment

charged only a “detectable amount” of cocaine and cocaine base and not a

threshold amount needed for enhanced penalties under § 

-

. The Supreme Court had held in United States v. Booker,

, 

(2005), that if drug quantity is used to increase a

defendant’s sentence above the statutory maximum sentence for an § 841 drug

offense, then that drug quantity must be charged in the indictment and decided by a

, 125 S. Ct. at 751-56 (extending the holding of Apprendi

v. New Jersey, 

, 

(2000), to federal sentencing

proceedings under the Sentencing Guidelines).

      In Cotton, the Supreme Court rejected the Fourth Circuit’s conclusion, based

on Ex parte Bain, 

, 

(1887), that the omission of the drug-

quantity element from the indictment was a jurisdictional defect that required

vacating the defendants’ sentences. 

, 122 S. Ct. at 1784.

The Supreme Court explained that “Bain’s elastic concept of jurisdiction is not

what the term ‘jurisdiction’ means today, i.e., the courts’ statutory or constitutional

power to adjudicate the case.” 

122 S. Ct. at 1785 (internal quotation

marks omitted). The Supreme Court pointed to several of its more contemporary



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cases, which the Court said stood for the broad proposition that defects in an

indictment are not jurisdictional, as follows:

      Post-Bain cases confirm that defects in an indictment do not deprive a
      court of its power to adjudicate a case. In Lamar v. United States, 

, 

, 

(1916), the Court rejected the
      claim that “the court had no jurisdiction because the indictment does
      not charge a crime against the United States.” 

.
      Justice Holmes explained that a district court “has jurisdiction of all
      crimes cognizable under the authority of the United States . . . [and]
      [t]he objection that the indictment does not charge a crime against the
      United States goes only to the merits of the case.” 

. Similarly, United States v. Williams, 

, 66, 

, 

(1951), held that a ruling “that the indictment is
      defective does not affect the jurisdiction of the trial court to determine
      the case presented by the indictment.”

122 S. Ct. at 1785. The Supreme Court in Cotton concluded that

“[i]nsofar as it held that a defective indictment deprives a court of jurisdiction,

Bain is overruled.” 

122 S. Ct. at 1785. Relying on Cotton, the

government argues that St. Hubert’s claims that his indictment was defective are

non-jurisdictional and waived.

      The problem for the government is that this Court has narrowly limited

Cotton’s overruling of Bain and jurisdictional holding to only omission of elements

from the indictment. See United States v. Peter, 

, 713-14 (11th Cir.

2002). In Peter, the defendant pled guilty to an indictment charging a Racketeer

Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act conspiracy with the sole predicate act

being mail fraud, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1341, by making misrepresentations



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on state license applications he mailed to a state agency. 

715. Later, the

Supreme Court in Cleveland v. United States, 

, 

(2000),

held that state and municipal licenses did not qualify as “property in the hands of

the victim” as required for the offense of mail fraud. 

Therefore, Peter

had pled guilty to the predicate act of alleged mail fraud in the very form held in

Cleveland not to constitute an offense under § 1341. 

The Peter Court

concluded that the defendant’s claim that his conduct was never a crime under

§ 1341 was a jurisdictional error and could not be procedurally defaulted. 

In reaching this conclusion, the Court in Peter relied on pre-Cotton

precedent and concluded that “the decision in United States v. Meacham, 

(5th Cir. 1980), establishes that a district court is without jurisdiction to accept

a guilty plea to a ‘non-offense.’” 

(footnote omitted). 4

       Based on our pre-Cotton precedent in Meacham, the Peter Court decided

that when an indictment “affirmatively alleged a specific course of conduct that is

outside the reach” of the statute of conviction—or stated another way, “alleges

only a non-offense”—the district court has no jurisdiction to accept the guilty plea.

(holding that the pre-Cotton “rule of Meacham, that a district court lacks

jurisdiction when an indictment alleges only a non-offense, controls” even after


       4
        This Court adopted as binding precedent decisions of the former Fifth Circuit issued
before October 1, 1981. See Bonner v. City of Prichard, 

, 1207 (11th Cir. 1981)
(en banc).


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Cotton). In following Meacham, the Peter Court rejected the government’s claim

that the language of Cotton rejected the rule of Meacham. 

. The Peter

Court limited Cotton’s holding to an omission from the indictment, reasoning that

“Cotton involved only an omission from the indictment: the failure to allege a fact

requisite to the imposition of defendants’ sentences, namely, their trade in a

threshold quantity of cocaine base.” 

       Our best determination is that in this case we are bound by our circuit

precedent in Peter. St. Hubert’s claim is not, as in Cotton, that his indictment

omitted a necessary fact. Rather, like in Peter, the error asserted by St. Hubert is

that “the indictment consisted only of specific conduct”—carrying, using, and

brandishing a firearm during a Hobbs Act robbery and an attempted Hobbs Act

robbery—that, according to St. Hubert, is “as a matter of law, . . . outside the

sweep of the charging statute.” 

Said another way, because “the

Government affirmatively alleged a specific course of conduct that [at least in St.

Hubert’s view] is outside the reach” of § 924(c)(3)(A), “the Government’s proof of

th[at] alleged conduct, no matter how overwhelming, would have brought it no

closer to showing the crime charged than would have no proof at all.” 

(emphasis added).

       5
        We note that some Circuits have criticized and rejected Peter’s narrow reading of
Cotton. See United States v. De Vaughn, 

, 1148 (10th Cir. 2012); United States v.
Scruggs, 

, 264 (5th Cir. 2013). Further, the Fifth Circuit, after Cotton, overruled
Meacham. See United States v. Cothran, 

, 283 (5th Cir. 2002).


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      Moreover, we see nothing in the Supreme Court’s recent Class decision that

undermines Peter, much less undermines it to the point of abrogation. See United

States v. Kaley, 

, 1255 (11th Cir. 2009) (explaining that for a

subsequent Supreme Court opinion to abrogate our prior precedent, it must

“directly conflict with” that prior precedent). Indeed, while the Supreme Court in

Class did not speak in terms of jurisdiction or jurisdictional indictment defects, it

suggested, albeit in dicta, that a claim that the facts alleged in the indictment and

admitted by the defendant do not constitute a crime at all cannot be waived by a

defendant’s guilty plea because that kind of claim challenges the district court’s

power to act. See Class, 583 U.S. at ___, 138 S. Ct. at 805. Notably, the Supreme

Court in Class, in its discussion of historical examples of claims not waived by a

guilty plea, included cases in which the defendant argued that the charging

document did not allege conduct that constituted a crime. 

(citing United

States v. Ury, 

, 28-30 (2d. Cir. 1939); Hocking Valley Ry. Co. v.

United States, 

, 738-39 (6th Cir. 1914); Carper v. Ohio, 

,

575-76 (1875); Commonwealth v. Hinds, 

, 210 (1869)). Thus, if

anything, the dicta in Class supports Peter’s analysis.

      St. Hubert’s claim is that Counts 8 and 12 of the indictment failed to charge

an offense against the laws of the United States because Hobbs Act robbery and

attempted robbery are not crimes of violence under § 924(c)(3)(A). Under Peter



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his challenge to his § 924(c) convictions on this ground is jurisdictional, and

therefore we must conclude that St. Hubert did not waive it by pleading guilty.

Having concluded that neither of St. Hubert’s § 924(c) claims has been

relinquished by his guilty plea, we now proceed to the merits of those claims.

                   III. HOBBS ACT ROBBERY IN COUNT 8

A.    Section 924(c)(3)(A) and (B)

      For purposes of § 924(c), a predicate offense can qualify as a crime of

violence under one of two definitions. Specifically, under § 924(c), a crime of

violence is an offense that is a felony and that:

      (A)    has as an element the use, attempted use, or threatened use of
             physical force against the person or property of another, or

      (B)    that by its nature, involves a substantial risk that physical force
             against the person or property of another may be used in the
             course of committing the offense.

18 U.S.C. § 924(c)(3)(A), (B) (emphasis added). The first definition in

§ 924(c)(3)(A) is commonly referred to as the use-of-force clause. The second

definition in § 924(c)(3)(B) is commonly referred to as the risk-of-force or residual

clause. St. Hubert contends Hobbs Act robbery does not qualify under either

definition in § 924(c)(3). We address the definitions separately.

B.    Risk-of-Force Clause in § 924(c)(3)(B)

      As to the second definition, St. Hubert argues that Hobbs Act robbery no

longer can qualify under the risk-of-force clause in § 924(c)(3)(B) because that

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clause is unconstitutional in light of Sessions v. Dimaya, 584 U.S. ___, 

(2018), and Johnson v. United States, 576 U.S. ___, 

(2015).

      After Dimaya and Johnson, this Court en banc in Ovalles II rejected a void-

for-vagueness challenge to § 924(c)(3)(B). Ovalles II held that the constitutional-

doubt canon of statutory construction requires that § 924(c)(3)(b) be interpreted to

incorporate a conduct-based 

, 1244, 1251. Ovalles II

thus engaged in a statutory interpretation of the text of § 924(c)(3)(B), and set forth

a rule of statutory interpretation, not a rule of constitutional law. See 

1244, 1245-48, 1252. The conduct-based approach adopted in Ovalles II accounts

for “actual, real-world facts of the crime’s commission” in determining if that

crime qualifies under § 924(c)(3)(B)’s residual clause. 

Two other

circuits have likewise adopted a conduct-based interpretation of § 924(c)(3)(B) and

held § 924(c)(3)(B) is constitutional. See United States v. Douglas, ___ F.3d ___,

, *5-13 (1st Cir. Oct. 12, 2018); United States v. Barrett, 

, 178-84 (2d Cir. 2018). We follow Ovalles II and conclude that St.

Hubert’s constitutional challenge to § 924(c)(3)(B) lacks merit.

      Because the district court did not have the benefit of Ovalles II’s statutory

interpretation of § 924(c)(3)(B), it did not apply the conduct-based approach

Ovalles II adopted. Nonetheless, a remand is not necessary in this case because the

relevant facts are admitted by the defendant, the record is thus sufficiently



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developed, and any review of such a determination by the district court would be

de novo in any event. See United States v. Taylor, 

, 944 (11th Cir.

1996); United States v. Jones, 

, 927 (11th Cir. 1995); Macklin v.

Singletary, 

, 1310-1313 (11th Cir. 1994); see also Ovalles 

(applying in the first instance the conduct-based approach to admitted,

“real-life” facts “embodied in a written plea agreement and detailed plea

colloquy”).

      That leaves us to apply § 924(c)(3)(B)’s conduct-based approach to St.

Hubert’s admitted conduct. Specifically, at his plea hearing, St. Hubert admitted

he robbed an AutoZone store on January 21, and that he brandished a firearm at

store employees and threatened to shoot them, before stealing approximately

$2,300. Based on the facts that St. Hubert expressly admitted, we readily conclude

that St. Hubert’s admitted conduct during his January 21 Hobbs Act robbery

involved a substantial risk that physical force may have been used against a person

or property, and thus his Hobbs Act robbery constituted a crime of violence within

the meaning of § 924(c)(3)(B)’s risk-of-force clause. We affirm St. Hubert’s

conviction and sentence on Count 8 based on Ovalles II.

C.    Use-of-Force Clause in § 924(c)(3)(A)

      Even assuming that Dimaya and Johnson invalidated § 924(c)(3)(B)’s risk-

of-force clause as unconstitutionally vague, we conclude St. Hubert’s challenge to



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his first § 924(c) conviction (Count 8) fails because this Court has already held that

Hobbs Act robbery (the predicate for Count 8) independently qualifies as a crime

of violence under § 924(c)(3)(A)’s use-of-force clause. See In re Saint Fleur, 

, 1340-41 (11th Cir. 2016) (addressing Hobbs Act robbery); In re Colon,

, 1305 (11th Cir. 2016) (addressing aiding and abetting Hobbs Act

robbery). Accordingly, as an independent and alternative ground for affirmance,

we hold that St. Hubert’s Hobbs Act robbery qualifies as a crime of violence under

§ 924(c)(3)(A)’s use-of-force clause, and thus we affirm his first § 924(c)

conviction in Count 8.

      St. Hubert argues that Saint Fleur and Colon are not binding precedent in his

direct appeal because they were adjudications of applications for leave to file a

second or successive § 2255 motion. St. Hubert refers to these adjudications as

“SOS applications” and as decisions “occurring in a procedurally distinct context.”

We reject that claim because this Court has already held that “our prior-panel-

precedent rule applies with equal force as to prior panel decisions published in the

context of applications to file second or successive petitions. In other words,

published three-judge orders issued under § 2244(b) are binding precedent in our

circuit.” In re Lambrix, 

, 794 (11th Cir. 2015); see also In re Hill, 

, 1223-24 (11th Cir. 2015).




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       St. Hubert next argues that these Lambrix and Hill decisions themselves

involved second or successive applications and thus cannot bind this Court in St.

Hubert’s direct appeal. We disagree because the rulings in Lambrix and Hill were

squarely about the legal issue of whether the prior panel precedent rule

encompasses earlier published three-judge orders under § 2244(b). Lest there be

any doubt, we now hold in this direct appeal that law established in published

three-judge orders issued pursuant to 28 U.S.C. § 2244(b) in the context of

applications for leave to file second or successive § 2255 motions is binding

precedent on all subsequent panels of this Court, including those reviewing direct

appeals and collateral attacks, “unless and until [it is] overruled or undermined to

the point of abrogation by the Supreme Court or by this court sitting en banc.” See

.6




       6
        St. Hubert points to language in some of our successive application decisions stating that
this Court’s determination under 28 U.S.C. §§ 2244(b)(3)(C) and 2255(h) that an applicant has
made a prima facie showing that his application contains a claim meeting the statutory criteria
does not bind the district court. See, e.g., In re Jackson, 

, 1351 (11th Cir. 2016).
These decisions do not in any way contradict Lambrix and Hill, but rather stand for the
unexceptional proposition that given the “limited determination” involved in finding that an
applicant has made a prima facie showing, the district courts must consider the merits of the
now-authorized successive § 2255 motion de novo. See In re Moss, 

, 1302 (11th
Cir. 2013) (explaining that whether an application “made a prima facie showing” is a “limited
determination on our part, and, as we have explained before, the district court is to decide the
§ 2255(h) issues fresh, or in the legal vernacular, de novo” (alterations and internal quotation
marks omitted)).


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       Accordingly, in this direct appeal, this panel is bound by Saint Fleur and

Colon and concludes that St. Hubert’s Hobbs Act robbery is a crime of violence

under § 924(c)(3)(A)’s use-of-force clause. 7

                    IV. ATTEMPTED ROBBERY IN COUNT 12

       We now turn to St. Hubert’s second § 924(c) conviction (Count 12), where

the predicate offense is attempted Hobbs Act robbery. Again, we examine the two

crime-of-violence definitions separately.

A.     Risk-of Force Clause in § 924(c)(3)(B)

       Employing the conduct-based approach from Ovalles II, we hold that St.

Hubert’s attempted Hobbs Act robbery qualifies as a crime of violence under

§ 924(c)(3)(B)’s risk-of-force clause. Although the district court did not apply the

conduct-based approach, we need not remand. Rather, here, as in Ovalles II,

“there is no need for imagination” or remand because the “real-life details” of St.

Hubert’s attempted Hobbs Act robbery, all of which he admitted, confirm that it

qualifies under § 924(c)(3)(B)’s residual clause. See Ovalles 

.

       In fact, at his plea hearing, St. Hubert admitted that, on January 27, he

entered an AutoZone store, brandished a firearm, and held the firearm against one


       7
         The government also relies on St. Hubert’s sentence appeal waiver. St. Hubert responds
that the sentence appeal waiver does not preclude his challenge to his § 924(c) convictions and
sentences because his claim is jurisdictional and because he is “actually innocent of violating 18
U.S.C. § 924(c).” If his convictions are valid, St. Hubert does not dispute his consecutive
sentences were required by § 924(c). Given that St. Hubert’s claims on appeal as to his
convictions fail on the merits, we need not address his sentence appeal waiver.


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employee’s side while directing a second employee to open the store’s safe, but

fled the store before he could take any money when a police car appeared outside

the store. Given the way in which St. Hubert admitted committing the attempted

AutoZone robbery, we easily conclude that his offense involved a substantial risk

that physical force may be used against a person or property. Thus, we affirm St.

Hubert’s § 924(c) conviction and sentence on Count 12 on that ground.

B.     Use-of-Force Clause in § 924(c)(3)(A)

       Alternatively, we address whether St. Hubert’s attempted Hobbs Act robbery

in Count 12 qualifies as a crime of violence under § 924(c)(3)(A)’s use-of-force

clause. Our circuit precedent has not squarely ruled on that precise offense.

Nonetheless, Saint Fleur and Colon are our starting point for that crime too.

       St. Hubert’s brief argues that Saint Fleur and Colon are inconsistent with the

Supreme Court’s decisions in Descamps v. United States, Mathis v. United States,

Moncrieffe v. Holder and Leocal v. Ashcroft, which applied the categorical

approach.8 St. Hubert contends that when the categorical approach is properly

applied, Hobbs Act robbery and attempted robbery fail to qualify as crimes of

violence because these offenses can be committed by putting a victim in “fear of

injury, immediate or future” and do not require a threat of physical force.


       8
         Mathis v. United States, 579 U.S. ___, 

(2016); Descamps v. United
States, 

, 

(2013); Moncrieffe v. Holder, 

, 

(2013); Leocal v. Ashcroft, 

, 

(2004).


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       We agree that the Supreme Court’s discussion of the categorical approach in

these decisions is relevant to St. Hubert’s appeal, which is why, in analyzing his

attempted Hobbs Act robbery, as well as his Hobbs Act robbery, we take time to

apply the categorical approach to the applicable statutes in more detail than Saint

Fleur and Colon did.9 First, we compare the statutory texts of § 1951 and

§ 924(c)(3)(A), and then set forth the tenets of the categorical approach.

C.     Statutory Text and Categorical Approach

       The Hobbs Act provides that:

       Whoever in any way or degree obstructs, delays, or affects commerce
       or the movement of any article or commodity in commerce, by
       robbery or extortion or attempts or conspires so to do, or commits or
       threatens physical violence to any person or property in furtherance of

       9
         Mathis and Descamps addressed burglary under the enumerated crimes clause of the
ACCA’s violent felony definition, not the definition of crime of violence under § 924(c)(3)(A)’s
use-of-force clause. See Mathis, 579 U.S. at ___, 136 S. Ct. at 2248; 

,
133 S. Ct. at 2282. Similarly, Moncrieffe and Leocal, which involved immigration removal
proceedings, addressed different predicate offenses and statutory provisions from this case. See

, 133 S. Ct. at 1683; 

, 125 S. Ct. at 379.
Moncrieffe addressed whether a prior state drug conviction qualified as a “drug trafficking
crime” under § 924(c)(2) and, therefore, as an “aggravated felony” under the Immigration and
Nationality Act (“INA”). Moncrieffe, 569 U.S at 

. And Leocal
addressed whether a prior conviction for driving under the influence qualified as a “crime of
violence” under 18 U.S.C. § 16 and, therefore, as an “aggravated felony” under the INA. 

, 125 S. Ct. at 379-80.
        While these decisions are relevant to our analytical approach, they did not involve Hobbs
Act robbery or attempted robbery, or the use-of-force clause in § 924(c)(3)(A), and thus are not
clearly on point here. See United States v. Lopez, 

, 1312 (11th Cir. 2009);
Atlantic Sounding Co. v. Townsend, 

, 1284 (11th Cir. 2007) (explaining that “a
later panel may depart from an earlier panel’s decision only when the intervening Supreme Court
decision is ‘clearly on point’” and that when only the reasoning, and not the holding, of the
intervening Supreme Court decision “is at odds with that of our prior decision” there is “no basis
for a panel to depart from our prior decision”). For this reason, we disagree with St. Hubert’s
suggestion that we may disregard Saint Fleur and Colon in light of these Supreme Court
decisions.


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       a plan or purpose to do anything in violation of this section shall be
       fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or
       both.

18 U.S.C. § 1951(a) (emphasis added). The text of the Hobbs Act proscribes both

robbery and extortion. See 18 U.S.C. § 1951(a), (b)(1)-(2).

       We agree with the Sixth Circuit’s conclusion that (1) the Hobbs Act is a

divisible statute that sets out multiple crimes, and (2) robbery and extortion are

distinct offenses, not merely alternative means of violating § 1951(a). See United

States v. Gooch, 

, 290-92 (6th Cir.) (discussing Mathis, 579 U.S. __,

), cert. denied, 

(2017). Under the categorical

approach, we thus consider only the portion of the Hobbs Act defining “robbery”

for the elements of St. Hubert’s predicate offenses. 10 See Mathis, 579 U.S. at __,

136 S. Ct. at 2248.

       “Robbery” under the Hobbs Act is defined as:

       [T]he unlawful taking or obtaining of personal property from the
       person or in the presence of another, against his will, by means of
       actual or threatened force, or violence, or fear of injury, immediate or
       future, to his person or property, or property in his custody or
       possession, or the person or property of a relative or member of his
       family or of anyone in his company at the time of the taking or
       obtaining.




       10
         Notably too, St. Hubert acknowledges that the predicate crimes of violence for his
§ 924(c) convictions were Hobbs Act robbery and attempted robbery. He has made no argument
about extortion.


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18 U.S.C. § 1951(b)(1). A conviction for Hobbs Act robbery by definition requires

“actual or threatened force, or violence, or fear of injury, immediate or future,

to . . . person or property.” 

(emphasis added). Similarly,

§ 924(c)(3)(A) refers to the “use, attempted use, or threatened use of physical force

against person or property.” 18 U.S.C. § 924(c)(3)(A) (emphasis added).

      We also point out, and St. Hubert agrees, that the definition of “robbery” in

§ 1951(b)(1) is indivisible because it sets out alternative means of committing

robbery, rather than establishing multiple different robbery crimes. See 18 U.S.C.

§ 1951(b)(1); Mathis, 579 U.S. at __, 136 S. Ct. at 2248-49 (describing the

difference between divisible and indivisible statutes). Accordingly, we apply the

categorical approach in analyzing whether St. Hubert’s Hobbs Act robbery and

attempted robbery offenses qualify as crimes of violence under § 924(c). See

Mathis, 579 U.S. at __, 136 S. Ct. at 2248-49 (explaining that, in the ACCA

context, indivisible statutes must be analyzed using the categorical approach); see

also United States v. McGuire, 

, 1336-37 (11th Cir. 2013) (applying

the categorical approach in the § 924(c) context).

      In applying the categorical approach, we look only to the elements of the

predicate offense statute and do not look at the particular facts of the defendant’s

offense conduct. See, e.g., United States v. Keelan, 

, 870-71 (11th

Cir. 2015) (“Under the categorical approach, a court must look to the elements and



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the nature of the offense of conviction, rather than to the particular facts of the

defendant’s record of conviction.” (quotation marks omitted)). In doing so, “we

must presume that the conviction rested upon [nothing] more than the least of th[e]

acts criminalized, and then determine whether even those acts” qualify as crimes of

violence. See 

, 133 S. Ct. at 1684 (quotation marks

omitted). Thus, under the categorical approach, each of the means of committing

Hobbs Act robbery—“actual or threatened force, or violence, or fear of injury”—

must qualify under the use-of-force clause in § 924(c)(3)(A).

       Reaching the same conclusion as Saint Fleur, four other circuits have

applied the categorical approach, listing each of these means, and concluded that

Hobbs Act robbery is categorically a crime of violence under the use-of-force

clause in § 924(c)(3)(A). 11 See 

; United States v.

Rivera, 

, 848-49 (7th Cir. 2017); United States v. Anglin, 

, 964-65 (7th Cir.), cert. granted & judgment vacated on other grounds, 138




       11
           Although we readopt this Section IV of our prior panel opinion, since that time another
circuit (the Tenth Circuit) has concluded that Hobbs Act robbery is categorically a crime of
violence under the elements clause, which, with our Saint Fleur, makes the total six circuits so
holding. See United States v. Melgar-Cabrera, 

, 1064-66 (10th Cir. 2018). The
Second and Eighth Circuits have reaffirmed their earlier, above-cited decisions to that effect.
See 

; Diaz v. United States, 

, 783-84 (8th Cir. 2017).



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(2017); United States v. Hill, 

, 140-44 (2d Cir. 2016);

United States v. House, 

, 387 (8th Cir. 2016).12

D.     St. Hubert’s Main Argument: Fear of Injury to Person or Property

       Despite this precedent, St. Hubert’s main argument is that (1) the least of the

acts criminalized in § 1951(b)(1) is “fear of injury,” and (2) a Hobbs Act robbery

“by means of fear of injury” can be committed without the use, attempted use, or

threatened use of any physical force. Although bound by Saint Fleur and Colon in

this regard, we take time to outline why St. Hubert’s argument fails.

       First, this argument is inconsistent not only with Saint Fleur and Colon, but

also with our precedent in In re Sams, 

, 1238-39 (11th Cir. 2016)

and United States v. Moore, 

, 572-73 (11th Cir. 1994), in which this

Court concluded that federal bank robbery “by intimidation,” in violation of 18

U.S.C. § 2113(a), and federal carjacking “by intimidation,” in violation of 18

U.S.C. § 2119, both have as an element the use, attempted use, or threatened use of

physical force and thus qualify as crimes of violence under § 924(c)(3)(A). See

also United States v. Robinson, 

, 151 n.28 (3d Cir. 2016) (Fuentes, J.,

concurring) (applying the categorical approach and equating “intimidation” in the

federal bank robbery statute with “fear of injury” in Hobbs Act robbery, noting that
       12
         The Third Circuit also has concluded that Hobbs Act robbery is a crime of violence
under § 924(c)(3)(A)’s use-of-force clause, but the majority opinion did so applying the modified
categorical approach. See United States v. Robinson, 

, 141-44 (3rd Cir. 2016), cert.
denied, 

(2017); 

(Fuentes, J., concurring) (“Hobbs Act robbery is
categorically a crime of violence under Section 924(c)(3)).


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the legislative history of § 924(c) identified federal bank robbery as the

prototypical crime of violence, and reasoning that Congress therefore intended

§ 924(c)’s physical force element to be satisfied by intimidation or fear of injury),

cert. denied, 

(2017); United States v. Gutierrez, 

,

1257 (9th Cir. 2017) (holding “intimidation as used in the federal bank robbery

statute requires that a person take property in such a way that would put an

ordinary, reasonable person in fear of bodily harm, which necessarily entails the

threatened use of physical force” (quotation marks omitted)).

       Second, we agree with the Second Circuit’s decision in Hill, which

explained why that court rejected the argument, like St. Hubert’s, that one could

commit Hobbs Act robbery by “putting the victim in fear” without any physical

force or threat of physical force. 

. The Second Circuit

noted that a hypothetical nonviolent violation of the statute, without evidence of

actual application of the statute to such conduct, is insufficient to show a “realistic

probability” that Hobbs Act robbery could encompass nonviolent conduct.13 

142-43. The Second Circuit added that “there must be ‘a realistic

probability, not a theoretical possibility,’ that the statute at issue could be applied

to conduct that does not constitute a crime of violence,” and, to that end, “a
       13
         The hypotheticals that the defendant in Hill suggested would violate the Hobbs Act but
would not involve use or threatened use of physical force were: threatening to throw paint on a
victim’s car or house, threatening to pour chocolate syrup on the victim’s passport, and
threatening to withhold vital medicine from the victim or to poison him. 

-
42. Here, St. Hubert’s briefing poses similar hypotheticals to the defendant in Hill.


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defendant ‘must at least point to his own case or other cases in which the . . . courts

in fact did apply the statute in the . . . manner for which he argues.’” 

(quoting in part Gonzales v. Duenas-Alvarez, 

, 193, 

,

822 (2007)); see also 

(citing Duenas-Alvarez and

explaining that to determine whether an offense is categorically a crime of violence

under § 924(c), courts must consider whether “the plausible applications of the

statute of conviction all require the use or threatened use of force . . . .” (emphasis

added)).

       St. Hubert has not pointed to any case at all, much less one in which the

Hobbs Act applied to a robbery or attempted robbery, that did not involve, at a

minimum, a threat to use physical force. Indeed, St. Hubert does not offer a

plausible scenario, and we can think of none, in which a Hobbs Act robber could

take property from the victim against his will and by putting the victim in fear of

injury (to his person or property) without at least threatening to use physical force

capable of causing such injury. See Curtis Johnson v. United States, 559 U.S 133,

140, 

, 1271 (2010) (stating that the phrase “physical force” as used

in the ACCA’s “violent felony” definition means “violent force—that is, force

capable of causing physical pain or injury to another person”). 14



       14
          In citing Curtis Johnson, we note that it was an ACCA case where the use-of-force
clause in the definition of violent felony required that the physical force be “against the person of


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       Having applied the categorical approach and explained why Saint Fleur and

Colon properly concluded that Hobbs Act robbery is a crime of violence under

§ 924(c)(3)(A), we now turn to the attempt element of St. Hubert’s attempted

Hobbs Act robbery.

E.     Attempt Crimes

       While this Court has not yet addressed attempted Hobbs Act robbery, the

definition of a crime of violence in the use-of-force clause in § 924(c)(3)(A)

explicitly includes offenses that have as an element the “attempted use” or

“threatened use” of physical force against the person or property of another. See

18 U.S.C. § 924(c)(3)(A). Moreover, the Hobbs Act itself prohibits both

completed and attempts to commit Hobbs Act robbery, and such attempts are

subject to the same penalties as completed Hobbs Act robberies. See 18 U.S.C.

§ 1951(a).

       To be convicted of an “attempt” of a federal crime, a defendant must:

(1) have the specific intent to engage in the criminal conduct with which he is


another” only. 18 U.S.C. § 924(e)(2)(B)(i); Curtis 

, 130 S. Ct. at
1268.
        In contrast, § 924(c)(3)(A)’s use-of-force clause in the definition of crime of violence is
broader and includes threatened physical force “against the person or property of another.” 18
U.S.C. § 924(c)(3)(A). As discussed above, the definition of robbery in the Hobbs Act parallels
§ 924(c)(3)(A), as it likewise refers to actual or threatened force against a person or property.
See 

. Thus, in the § 924(c) context, Curtis Johnson may be of limited
value in assessing the quantum of force necessary to qualify as a “use, attempted use, or
threatened use of physical force” against property within the meaning of § 924(c)(3)(A).
Nonetheless, even strictly applying Curtis Johnson’s definition of physical force, we conclude
that Hobbs Act robbery categorically qualifies as a crime of violence.


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charged; and (2) have taken a substantial step toward the commission of the

offense that strongly corroborates his criminal intent. United States v. Jockisch,

, 1129 (11th Cir.), cert. denied, 

(2017); United States

v. Yost, 

, 819 (11th Cir. 2007). The intent element of a federal

attempt offense requires the defendant to have the specific intent to commit each

element of the completed federal offense. See United States v. Murrell, 

, 1286-87 (11th Cir. 2004).

      “A substantial step can be shown when the defendant’s objective acts mark

his conduct as criminal and, as a whole, ‘strongly corroborate the required

culpability.’” 

(quoting 

). To

constitute a substantial step, the defendant must do more than merely plan or

prepare for the crime; he or she must perform objectively culpable and unequivocal

acts toward accomplishing the crime. See United States v. Ballinger, 

, 1238 n.8 (11th Cir. 2005) (en banc) (citing United States v. Mandujano, 

, 377 (5th Cir. 1974), which concluded that a substantial step “must be

more than remote preparation,” and must be conduct “strongly corroborative of the

firmness of the defendant’s criminal intent”); United States v. McDowell, 

, 427-28 (11th Cir. 1983).

      Like completed Hobbs Act robbery, attempted Hobbs Act robbery qualifies

as a crime of violence under § 924(c)(3)(A)’s use-of-force clause because that



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clause expressly includes “attempted use” of force. Therefore, because the taking

of property from a person against his will in the forcible manner required by

§ 1951(b)(1) necessarily includes the use, attempted use, or threatened use of

physical force, then by extension the attempted taking of such property from a

person in the same forcible manner must also include at least the “attempted use”

of force. Cf. United States v. Wade, 

, 1278 (11th Cir. 2006)

(explaining that an attempt to commit a crime enumerated as a violent felony under

§ 924(e)(2)(B)(ii) is also a violent felony), cert. denied, 

, 

(2007); see also Hill v. United States, 

, 718-19 (7th Cir. 2017)

(“When a substantive offense would be a violent felony under § 924(e) and similar

statutes, an attempt to commit that offense also is a violent felony.”), cert. denied,

(U.S. Oct. 9, 2018); United States v. Armour, 

,

908-09 (7th Cir. 2016) (holding that attempted armed bank robbery qualifies as a

crime of violence under § 924(c)(3)(A)).

      In reaching this conclusion, our initial panel opinion followed the Seventh

Circuit’s analysis about why it concluded that an attempt to commit a violent

felony under the ACCA is also a violent felony. See St. 

(citing 

). We do so again. As to attempt crimes, the Seventh

Circuit observed in Hill that (1) a defendant must intend to commit every element

of the completed crime in order to be guilty of attempt, and (2) thus, “an attempt to



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commit a crime should be treated as an attempt to commit every element of that

crime.” 

to attempt crimes, the Seventh Circuit explained that “[w]hen

the intent element of the attempt offense includes intent to commit violence against

the person of another, . . . it makes sense to say that the attempt crime itself

includes violence as an element.” 

the Seventh Circuit then

pointed out that the elements clause in the text of § 924(e) equates actual force

with attempted force, and this means that the attempted use of physical force

against the person of another suffices and that the text of § 924(e) thus tells us that

actual force need not be used for a crime to qualify under the ACCA. Id.; see also

(Hamilton, J. concurring) (“Even though the substantial

step(s) may have fallen short of actual or threatened physical force, the criminal

has, by definition, attempted to use or threaten[ed] physical force because he has

attempted to commit a crime that would be violent if completed. That position fits

comfortably within the language of the elements clause of the definition.”). “Given

the statutory specification that an element of attempted force operates the same as

an element of completed force, and the rule that conviction of attempt requires

proof of intent to commit all elements of the completed crime,” the Seventh Circuit

concluded that when a substantive offense qualifies as a violent felony under the

ACCA, an attempt to commit that offense also is a violent felony. See 

.



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       Analogously here, a completed Hobbs Act robbery itself qualifies as a crime

of violence under § 924(c)(3)(A) and, therefore, attempt to commit Hobbs Act

robbery requires that St. Hubert intended to commit every element of Hobbs Act

robbery, including the taking of property in a forcible manner. Similar to Hill’s

analysis, the definition of a crime of violence in § 924(c)(3)(A) equates the use of

force with attempted force, and thus the text of § 924(c)(3)(A) makes clear that

actual force need not be used for a crime to qualify under § 924(c)(3)(A). Thus,

under Hill’s analysis, given § 924(c)’s “statutory specification that an element of

attempted force operates the same as an element of completed force, and the rule

that conviction of attempt requires proof of intent to commit all elements of the

completed crime,” attempted Hobbs Act robbery qualifies as a crime of violence

under § 924(c)(3)(A) as well.

       Accordingly, as an alternative and independent ground, we conclude that

St. Hubert’s predicate offense of attempted Hobbs Act robbery qualifies as a crime

of violence under § 924(c)(3)(A)’s use-of-force clause, which remains unaffected

by Johnson and Dimaya, and we thus affirm St. Hubert’s second § 924(c) firearm

conviction in Count 12. 15




       15
          As with Count 8 (with a Hobbs Act robbery predicate), we alternatively affirm St.
Hubert’s conviction on Count 12 (with an attempted Hobbs Act robbery predicate) based on the
residual clause in § 924(c)(3)(B). See 

.


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      We recognize that St. Hubert argues that a robber could plan the robbery and

travel with a gun to the location of the robbery but be caught before entering the

store and still be guilty of attempted Hobbs Act robbery. St. Hubert argues that the

substantial step required for an attempt conviction will not always involve an

actual or threatened use of force and thus attempted Hobbs Act robbery does not

qualify under § 924(c)(3)(A). However, as before, we agree with the Seventh

Circuit that even if the completed substantial step falls short of actual or threatened

force, the robber has attempted to use actual or threatened force because he has

attempted to commit a crime that would be violent if completed. See 

. Thus, we reject St. Hubert’s claim that the substantial step itself in

an attempt crime must always involve the actual or threatened use of force for an

attempt to commit a violent crime to qualify under § 924(c)(3)(A)’s elements

clause.

                                V. CONCLUSION

      In sum, we conclude that St. Hubert’s guilty plea did not waive his particular

claims here that Counts 8 and 12 failed to charge an offense at all. Further,

§ 924(c)(3)(B)’s risk-of-force clause is constitutional, see Ovalles 

, and St. Hubert’s predicate Hobbs Act robbery and attempted Hobbs Act

robbery qualify as crimes of violence under § 924(c)(3)(B)’s risk-of-force clause.

Finally, as an independent, alternative ground for affirming St. Hubert’s



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convictions and sentences on Counts 8 and 12, we conclude that St. Hubert’s

predicate offenses of Hobbs Act robbery and attempted Hobbs Act robbery

categorically qualify as crimes of violence under § 924(c)(3)(A)’s elements clause.

      AFFIRMED.




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