Paul R. Rosen, a member of the Pennsylvania Bar, and the Philadelphia law firm of which he is a partner, Spector, Cohen, Gadon, and Rosen ("Spector, Cohen"), brought a civil action against the National Labor Relations Board ("NLRB" or "Board") and its executive secretary, John Truesdale, seeking relief from a finding by an Administrative Law Judge that Mr. Rosen had suborned perjury. In their complaint, plaintiffs alleged that this finding violated their due process rights inasmuch as they had no opportunity to present evidence at the hearing--or thereafter--on Mr. Rosen's behalf. Their prayer for relief sought, among other things, that the administrative finding be declared void and that the NLRB be required to hold a hearing to allow Mr. Rosen to clear his name. The District Court dismissed the suit on several grounds, namely that the plaintiffs had failed to invoke available administrative procedures adequate to protect their rights; that the action was an improper collateral attack on an NLRB proceeding; and that the action was barred by the doctrine of judicial immunity. For the reasons that follow, we affirm.1

* This case had its genesis in a 1978 attempt by a labor union to organize the warehouse employees of Feld and Sons ("the Company"), a Pennsylvania textile concern also known as "Today's Man," the name which adorns the NLRB administrative proceedings that figure prominently in the backdrop of this case. Following a representation election, the union sought certification as the warehouse employees' collective bargaining representative. At the same time, the union filed unfair labor practice charges alleging, inter alia, that the Company had dismissed certain employees for pro-union activities. Today's Man, 263 N.L.R.B. 332, 334 (1982).

At an administrative hearing on the two issues of certification and unfair labor practice charges, the Company was represented by the Philadelphia law firm of Pechner, Dorfman, Wolffe, Rounick & Cabot ("Pechner, Dorfman"). Mr. Rosen and his firm had not yet joined the cast in this unfolding drama, although Spector, Cohen was at all relevant times serving as the Company's corporate counsel.

During the course of the administrative hearing on the issue of union certification, NLRB representatives became convinced that various representatives of the Company, including its president, Mr. Feld, and two Pechner, Dorfman attorneys had committed perjury or subornation of perjury. In accordance with Board procedures in such instances, the NLRB Regional Office in Philadelphia prepared a memorandum for the Board's General Counsel in Washington outlining the facts and recommending that the matter be referred for possible prosecution to the United States Attorney for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania. 263 N.L.R.B. at 334.

In October 1978, Pechner, Dorfman tried to settle the unfair labor practice charges. Although the possibility of resolving the perjury charges was raised during the course of settlement negotiations, NLRB representatives indicated to the Pechner, Dorfman attorneys that any settlement of the unfair labor practice charges would not include any agreement not to bring perjury charges. 263 N.L.R.B. at 335-336. The Pechner, Dorfman attorneys thereafter reached a formal settlement agreement with the NLRB on the unfair labor practices, which Mr. Feld, as president, signed on behalf of the Company. After approving the settlement in January 1979, the NLRB petitioned the Third Circuit Court of Appeals for enforcement of the agreed-to order as part of the settlement.

Between the time of settlement and the time the Board sought enforcement, a major substitution occurred in the dramatis personae. The Company engaged Mr. Rosen's firm, already ensconced, as we have seen, as corporate counsel, to represent it in the NLRB matter. With Spector, Cohen now substituted in as counsel, the Company objected to the NLRB's enforcement petition on the ground that the settlement agreement should be set aside. The Company alleged that an oral side agreement existed by which the NLRB had agreed not to press the perjury charges against Mr. Feld and the Pechner, Dorfman attorneys. Furthermore, the Company alleged that this agreement created a conflict of interest between Pechner, Dorfman and the Company by implanting an interest on the part of the Pechner, Dorfman attorneys in persuading the Company to acquiesce in the settlement agreement. The Company and the NLRB thereupon agreed to a limited remand before Administrative Law Judge Donnelly for the purpose of adducing evidence concerning the negotiations and execution of the settlement agreement to determine whether the settlement in fact included the alleged side agreement to drop the perjury charges. The die was thus cast for the unhappy events which brought about the action now before us.

Mr. Rosen represented the Company in this second, limited hearing before the ALJ. The principal witnesses were the Pechner, Dorfman attorneys and the Board representatives involved in negotiating the original settlement. In response to questions from Board counsel, a Pechner, Dorfman attorney, Barry Bevacqua, testified about a meeting with Mr. Rosen at Philadelphia's Locust Club in March 1979. ALJ Trial Transcript at 818. Mr. Rosen promptly objected to this line of questioning on relevancy grounds, contending that inasmuch as the Locust Club meeting had occurred after the settlement, the meeting simply could not bear on the scope of the settlement. Id. at 822. Judge Donnelly overruled the objection.

With the evidentiary door now open, not only Mr. Bevacqua but two other Pechner, Dorfman attorneys, namely Martin Sobol and Julius Steiner, testified about their conversations with Mr. Rosen concerning the scope of the original settlement. The Pechner, Dorfman lawyers testified, in essence, that at the Locust Club conclave Mr. Rosen had advanced a theory of the case which would have barred perjury charges being brought against Mr. Feld and certain Pechner, Dorfman attorneys. Under Mr. Rosen's theory, the NLRB representative who negotiated the settlement had expressly agreed to resolve the perjury charges as part of the original settlement and thus wash out any lingering perjury or subornation issues.

Mr. Bevacqua testified that in response to Mr. Rosen's articulation of this theory, the Pechner, Dorfman attorneys demurred on the grounds that Mr. Rosen's theory did not square with the facts. Mr. Rosen, according to Mr. Bevacqua's testimony, thereupon reminded them that he had statements from witnesses and "control over them" and that his theory "was a viable way to get the whole thing put to bed." Id. at 827 (testimony of Mr. Bevacqua). Mr. Sobol, another Pechner, Dorfman attorney, similarly testified that Mr. Rosen had opined that unless Mr. Sobol testified to facts supporting the foregoing theory, some Pechner, Dorfman attorneys would be disbarred and two of those attorneys would find themselves behind bars. Id. at 1991-94 (testimony of Mr. Sobol). According to Mr. Sobol, Mr. Rosen reiterated that he controlled the relevant witnesses. Id.2

Upon concluding the hearing, Judge Donnelly found in a written opinion that Mr. Feld, the president of the Company, knew that the settlement of the unfair labor practice charges did not in fact include an agreement to drop the perjury charges. In part, Judge Donnelly reached this conclusion because he expressly found as follows:

Feld and Rosen attempted to induce the Pechner attorneys to fabricate testimony to the effect that [the NLRB representative] had agreed to include perjury allegations in the settlement. During these conversations Feld acknowledged the falsity of such testimony, but felt that it was his only chance on the perjury matter. Apart from this as a reprehensible attempt to subvert justice, it also constitutes an acknowledgement by Feld that he was aware that the settlement did not dispose of the perjury matter.

Today's Man, 263 N.L.R.B. at 338. The ALJ based his finding that Mr. Rosen "attempted to induce" the Pechner, Dorfman attorneys to testify falsely upon the latter's testimony about the Locust Club meeting.3

While Judge Donnelly's decision was under review by the Board, Mr. Rosen asked Mr. Dunham, another attorney at the Spector, Cohen firm, to consult with Chief Administrative Law Judge Welles of the NLRB as to the manner in which his "personal concern" could be expressed about the ALJ's findings without having the communication viewed as ex parte. See Letter from Mr. Dunham to NLRB Secretary Truesdale (March 30, 1982). R. 11. According to Mr. Dunham, Judge Welles suggested that a letter be sent directly to Judge Donnelly. Accepting this advice, Mr. Rosen accordingly wrote to Judge Donnelly requesting him "to modify his decision [and] delete the language referring to my conversation with the Pechner attorneys at the Locust Club." See Letter from Mr. Rosen to ALJ Donnelly (Dec. 31, 1981). R. 6. Judge Donnelly forwarded this letter to Mr. Truesdale, the Board's executive secretary, who thereupon treated it as an ex parte communication and forwarded copies of it to all parties to the Today's Man proceeding for comment.

In its decision affirming Judge Donnelly's ruling in this second hearing, the Board denied Mr. Rosen's request for deletion of the offending language. The Board did not, however, impose any penalty upon Mr. Rosen for dispatching a communication treated by the Board as ex parte. Today's Man, 263 N.L.R.B. at 334. The Third Circuit on January 7, 1983, entered a consent judgment enforcing the Board's order.

Meanwhile, on August 23, 1982, Mr. Rosen and the Spector, Cohen firm filed the instant suit, alleging that the ALJ's "vilification" violated their due process rights under the Fifth Amendment and the Administrative Procedure Act. Their request for relief included a declaration that the ALJ's findings violated their Fifth Amendment rights and an injunction to require the NLRB to afford Mr. Rosen a hearing in which he could adduce evidence to contest Judge Donnelly's findings.

On January 27, 1983, the District Court, setting forth three separate grounds, granted the Board's motion to dismiss. First, the court concluded that no APA or due process rights were violated because Mr. Rosen in fact had an opportunity to intervene in the administrative proceeding before Judge Donnelly despite the attorney-client relationship with the Company. The District Court based this first conclusion on the premise that the testimony of the Pechner, Dorfman lawyers created a conflict of interest such that Mr. Rosen's withdrawal was permissible if not mandated under Disciplinary Rules 2-110(B)(2), 5-101(B) and 5-102(A). The court stated in this respect that if Mr. Rosen had withdrawn as counsel, the Board's rules and regulations clearly allowed him to move "to intervene, thus placing himself in a position to testify as to facts underlying the findings he now challenges." Memorandum Opinion at 567. The District Court further concluded that the attorney-client privilege would have been no bar to Mr. Rosen's testifying, since Disciplinary Rule 4-101(C) does not prevent a lawyer from revealing confidences to defend himself against "an accusation of wrongful conduct."

Second, the District Court concluded that a collateral attack on the Board's finding was unwarranted in view of the availability of direct review in the Court of Appeals under section 10 of the National Labor Relations Act. See 29 U.S.C. 160(f) (1973). Finally, the court found that judicial immunity prohibits an injunction against an agency on behalf of a non-party aggrieved by what the agency has done or said in the course of a quasi-judicial proceeding. This appeal followed.

The Government argued below that no constitutionally mandated hearing was required because, under Paul v. Davis, 424 U.S. 693, 96 S. Ct. 1155, 47 L. Ed. 2d 405 (1976), an alleged defamation does not deprive Mr. Rosen or his firm of a liberty interest protected under the Due Process Clause. We assume without deciding that Mr. Rosen and his law firm were deprived by the alleged defamation of a liberty interest cognizable under the Due Process Clause.4 We nonetheless conclude that, under the circumstances of this case, Mr. Rosen is not entitled to a collateral hearing.5 The orderly processes of justice do not require and indeed should not permit a non-party to obtain as of right a collateral rehearing in an effort to alter the findings of a neutral trier of fact, when, as here, the non-party in his role as an advocate represented a party at the original hearing and the party had an interest in rebutting the factual findings adverse to the non-party.6A

In deciding what process is due Mr. Rosen and his law firm, we must determine what fundamental fairness requires in the light of "history, reason, [and] the past course of decisions." Joint Anti-Fascist Refugee Committee v. McGrath, 341 U.S. 123, 162-163, 71 S. Ct. 624, 643-644, 95 L. Ed. 817 (1951) (Opinion of Frankfurter, J.). In evaluating whether fairness requires a particular procedure such as a collateral hearing in this particular context, we must consider various factors, including (1) the importance of the private interest at stake; (2) the likelihood that additional process would correct error; and (3) the burden which the additional process would impose on the government.7

In this case, the private interest to be protected is essentially an interest in reputation.8 Reputational interests are clearly important, but see Paul v. Davis, 424 U.S. 693, 96 S. Ct. 1155, 47 L. Ed. 2d 405 (1976); but cf., e.g., New York Times v. Sullivan, 376 U.S. 254, 259, 84 S. Ct. 710, 714, 11 L. Ed. 2d 686 (1963) (balancing the interest in an individual's reputation against the public interest in First Amendment expression), as evidenced by their historic protection at common law.9 However, the individual interest in reputation is not the sole factor in the calculus. For the fundamental reasons that, as are more fully elaborated below, collateral hearings in these circumstances would not greatly increase the likelihood of correcting erroneous adverse judicial comments and because such hearings would impose additional burdens impeding orderly judicial procedures, we decline to create any additional protections for either Mr. Rosen or the law firm beyond the process already provided. This process consisted of an adversary proceeding conducted before the unbiased tribunal that an administrative law judge affords.10 Furthermore, Mr. Rosen, albeit not formally a party before the tribunal, in fact conducted his client's representation before the tribunal and had proxy representation, as it were, through his client.11

The likelihood that a further collateral hearing will reduce the risk of erroneously adverse judicial comment in such circumstances is quite small. At the original hearing, the Company which Mr. Rosen represented had a clear interest in rebutting the testimony that its lawyer was trying to suborn perjury. Indeed, in furtherance of this interest the Company through Mr. Rosen vigorously exercised its right of cross-examining the Pechner, Dorfman attorneys about what transpired at the Locust Club meeting. See ALJ Trial Transcript at pp. 819, 2033, 2066. Therefore, Mr. Rosen had in his client a proxy enjoying a full panoply of due process rights and armed with a keen interest in preventing a finding of fact that was adverse to itself as well as to Mr. Rosen. Second, because of important safeguards built into a mature system of administrative or judicial adjudication, such as the impartiality of the trier of fact, erroneous adverse comments will likely be rare.12

We turn, then, to the governmental interest in avoiding collateral hearings. In this branch of the inquiry, we seek to assay whether the value of those few instances in which more focused fact finding will likely vindicate a non-party's interest in reputation is outweighed in the circumstances before us by the disadvantages of collateral hearings. The most evident aspect of this interest, of course, lies in avoiding the imposition of yet another genre of hearings on already overburdened systems of adjudication in this country. But more than mere added burden is involved here. An adjudicatory system, whether it be courts or administrative agencies, has a powerful interest both in encouraging judges to engage in full, vigorous fact-finding and in ensuring the finality of judgments.

Complete and vigorous fact-finding is at the heart of the adjudicatory process. Indeed, the Supreme Court has recognized the ancient privilege of absolute immunity for judges to encourage "principled and fearless decision-making." See Pierson v. Ray, 386 U.S. 547, 554, 87 S. Ct. 1213, 1217, 18 L. Ed. 2d 288 (1967).13 This immunity includes the absolute privilege to publish even defamatory statements in judicial opinions, so long as "the publication has some relation to the matter before [the judge.]" See Restatement (Second) of Torts Sec. 585 (1977). See also Lowenschuss v. West Publishing Co., 542 F.2d 180 (3d Cir.1976) (extending an absolute privilege to the verbatim republishing of judicial decisions by a private publishing concern).

While judicial immunity protects judges against damages actions and is thus not directly applicable to this case, the underlying rationale of the doctrine--to encourage "principled and fearless decision-making"--is strongly promoted by refusing to allow non-parties, in circumstances such as those before us, to mount collateral attacks against adverse comments in judicial or administrative proceedings. If judges were aware that adverse comments about a non-party would in all circumstances trigger the right to a collateral hearing, they might well circumscribe or soften their findings to avoid the burden of subsequent hearings. In a system of justice heavily reliant on evaluating and distinguishing precedent, it would be unfortunate indeed if the inhibitory influence of non-parties' demands for hearings were permitted to deter judges from setting forth in plain terms the full factual underpinning of their holdings. Moreover, a failure fully to state factual findings may make appellate review more difficult, particularly when the review is conducted on the basis of the substantial evidence standard.14

Mr. Rosen argues, however, that his case is distinguishable from a garden-variety complaint by a non-party as to findings of fact because, in his view, Judge Donnelly's comments were irrelevant to the ultimate issue in the limited remand. He further contends, in distinguishing his case, that at the NLRB hearing it was impossible to introduce the rebuttal evidence because of the attorney-client privilege. But see Part III, infra. Whether we agree that the testimony was relevant or not, the fact remains that the relevancy issue was squarely raised before Judge Donnelly and could thereafter have been litigated before the Board by the Company. Thus, the Company, serving as it were as Mr. Rosen's proxy, had the same interest in contesting the relevancy of the Pechner, Dorfman attorneys' statements as in contesting their truth.

Moreover, Mr. Rosen's objections to the unavailability of the evidence does not necessarily distinguish his case from the typical case of the non-party suffering from adverse comment. The attorney-client privilege is but one of several privileges that prevent parties themselves from adducing particular evidence, and thus create an obstacle to fact finding due to the broad judgment that the value of introducing such evidence is outweighed by the harm inflicted upon other policies and values. The explicit burdens imposed by such evidentiary rules have never, to our knowledge, been held inconsistent with due process in the civil law context, because such burdens are simply a necessary consequence of society's attempt to balance the value of the complete admissibility of probative evidence with other competing values, such as the protection of vital professional or associational relationships.

Because due process is, at bottom, informed by deep and abiding concerns for fundamental fairness to the party, see Lassiter v. Department of Social Services, 452 U.S. 18, 27, 101 S. Ct. 2153, 2159, 68 L. Ed. 2d 640 (1981), we are fortified in our conclusion in this case by the undisputed fact that, other than objecting to the damaging testimony on relevancy grounds, Mr. Rosen took no steps at all to bring his specific reputational concerns to the attention of the Administrative Law Judge. Admittedly, serious issues of professional ethics were raised by this testimony, as will be discussed in Part III, infra. Mr. Rosen therefore found himself in a most vexing situation, torn between fidelity to the cause of his client and the desire to clear his name.

This unhappy situation is all the more reason why Mr. Rosen should have taken some step to bring his dilemma to the attention of the presiding officer. Having failed to avail himself of any possible remedy that might have been fully efficacious, such as bringing to Judge Donnelly's attention his need to obtain authoritative advice--from the presiding judge himself, or from the Board, or from the Bar--Mr. Rosen and Spector, Cohen now seek at the eleventh hour to create an entirely new regime of procedural rights to collateral hearings. For the reasons already stated, this we decline to do.

Even were we to agree that due process requires that Mr. Rosen have an effective right to contest Judge Donnelly's findings, we conclude that he had such a right in the form of a right of intervention in the Board proceedings under 29 C.F.R. Sec. 102.29 (1982).15 Having failed to exercise the right of intervention, Mr. Rosen and his firm have no grounds for advancing creative due process claims.16

Mr. Rosen strenuously argues that any theoretical right of intervention was rendered inefficacious by virtue of his bedrock obligation to continue to serve as attorney to his client. To the contrary, we conclude, as did the District Court, that under the specific circumstances presented here, he should have withdrawn from the case.

* The Code of Professional Responsibility, DR 5-102(A), provides:

If, after undertaking employment in contemplated or pending litigation, a lawyer learns or it is obvious that he or a lawyer in his firm ought to be called as a witness on behalf of his client, he shall withdraw from the conduct of the trial and his firm, if any, shall not continue representation in the trial, except that he may continue the representation and he or a lawyer in his firm may testify in circumstances enumerated in DR 5-101(B)(1) through (4).

The rule is recognized as binding in this circuit. See Groper v. Taff, 717 F.2d 1415 (D.C.Cir.1983); Permian Corp. v. United States, 665 F.2d 1214 (D.C.Cir.1981); United States v. Vereen, 429 F.2d 713 (D.C.Cir.1970).

It is clear that, under the circumstances of this case, counsel "ought to have become a witness on behalf of his client" after the introduction of testimony about the Locust Club meeting. The Pechner, Dorfman attorneys, it will be recalled, testified that Mr. Rosen had tried to pressure them into testifying to falsehoods. As we have already seen, Mr. Rosen, when this testimony was first introduced, objected to it as irrelevant; the objection was, however, overruled. Judge Donnelly thus signalled quite clearly that he regarded this testimony as relevant to the question of the settlement's scope. The importance attached by Judge Donnelly to testimony concerning the Locust Club meeting is further attested to by his allowing in extensive testimony on this subject from not one but three Pechner, Dorfman attorneys.17

No one but Mr. Rosen and his associates could have rebutted what Judge Donnelly obviously regarded as relevant and damaging testimony. The testimony of Mr. Rosen and his associates became critical, and it was thus obligatory upon them "to place themselves on the witness stand in order to advance [the Company's case] completely and zealously...." See Cossette v. Country Style Donuts, Inc., 647 F.2d 526, 530 (5th Cir.1981) (citations omitted). The fact that their testimony would be used as rebuttal testimony to the testimony of the General Counsel's witnesses, and not as part of the Company's case in chief, is irrelevant: "The Code makes no distinction as to whether [an attorney] acts as a witness in the case in chief or in rebuttal." See J.D. Foley & Co. v. Vanderbilt, 523 F.2d 1357, 1359 (2d Cir.1975). Since Mr. Rosen and members of his firm should have appeared as witnesses, they should have withdrawn from the case.

Moreover, it is clear that withdrawal could not have been avoided by the expedient of coming to an agreement with the client that Mr. Rosen and the firm should not withdraw. DR 5-102(A), unlike other rules in the Code of Professional Responsibility, see, e.g., DR 5-101(A), makes no provision for client waiver of its application. Moreover, part of the underlying rationale for the rule, namely that a lawyer's serving in a dual role of witness and advocate is unseemly, is directed at the protection of the public interest in continued respect for the legal profession rather than any waivable private interest.18

We acknowledge that in the normal course an exception can be made to the requirement of withdrawal under DR 5-102 if withdrawal "would work a substantial hardship on the client because of the distinctive value of the lawyer or his firm in the particular case." DR 5-101(B)(4). The District Court, to be sure, did not make any finding that a substantial hardship would not have been worked if Mr. Rosen withdrew. However, "a court need not treat the Canons of Professional Responsibility as it would a statute that we have no right to amend." See J.A. Foley & Co. v. Vanderbilt, supra, 523 F.2d at 1359 (Gurfein, J., concurring). Indeed, we think that under the particular circumstances of this case withdrawal was clearly called for, because the harm that Mr. Rosen would have caused his client in withdrawing was greatly outweighed by the harm to the client occasioned by his remaining in the case. Three Pechner, Dorfman attorneys had made serious allegations, under oath, which amounted to charging Mr. Rosen with attempting to suborn perjurious testimony.19 This charge of criminal conduct, relating to the only issue with which the hearing before Judge Donnelly was concerned, gravely weakened Mr. Rosen's credibility as an advocate. In such circumstances, the only proper course under the rationale of DR 5-102, including the exceptions to the rule, was withdrawal. In a word, the loss of credibility on the part of this attorney, who under the specific circumstances presented in this case ought to have become a witness, worked greater hardship on the client than would have the attorney's withdrawal.

Moreover, it is manifest that the damaging testimony in the administrative hearing gave Mr. Rosen a profound personal stake in the litigation, thereby creating a potential conflict of interest. While we realize that, under DR 5-101(A), the existence of a conflict of interest does not disable an attorney from representing a client, if the client consents after full disclosure to representation, we think that the deep-seated conflict of interest in this case strengthens our position, based upon DR 5-102(A), that Mr. Rosen and his firm should have withdrawn.

Finally, we stress the narrowness of our ruling as to when it becomes necessary for a lawyer to withdraw. Mere allegations of impropriety or even testimony of impropriety not central to the case should not require a lawyer to withdraw, for such a mandate could encourage ill-founded, tactically motivated charges of impropriety in the hope of forcing withdrawal. However, when testimony is adduced as to an attorney's misconduct of a potentially criminal nature which the trier of fact plainly views as relevant and important to the case and which only the lawyer (or members or associates of his firm) can rebut, we see no course of action other than withdrawal consistent with both the goals of securing fairness to the client and of maintaining public respect for the profession.

Appellants argue that, even if they could have withdrawn from the case, they could not have effectively testified because the president of the Company, Mr. Feld, refused to waive the attorney-client privilege. However, even assuming for the moment that Mr. Rosen and his associates could not have testified about their conversations with Mr. Feld, they clearly could have testified to the effect that by pressuring the Pechner, Dorfman attorneys at the Locust Club meeting, they were simply attempting to get the Pechner, Dorfman attorneys to tell what the Spector, Cohen lawyers sincerely believed to be the truth. That testimony would have severed a crucial link in Judge Donnelly's chain of inferences leading to his conclusion about Mr. Feld's knowledge of the scope of the settlement.20

In addition, and more fundamentally to the issue at hand, this testimony may have effectively rebutted the implication that Mr. Rosen was suborning perjury. It is, of course, true that if Mr. Rosen were asked the basis for his belief that an agreement not to bring perjury charges was included in the settlement, the client's refusal to waive the attorney-client privilege might have prevented Mr. Rosen from testifying about any conversations with Mr. Feld that formed the basis of this belief. However, while invocation of the privilege might have prevented Mr. Rosen from testifying as fully as he might have desired, he nevertheless could have rebutted the implication that he was trying to induce the Pechner, Dorfman attorneys to testify in a way he knew to be false. Moreover, as we stated in part II, supra, the fact that some useful testimony is barred by a privilege simply has not been held to deny a litigant due process in a civil proceeding.

But it is by no means clear that Mr. Rosen could not in fact have testified about privileged communications under the circumstances of this case. If Mr. Rosen had withdrawn and intervened in the proceeding, he may very well have been able to testify as to matters otherwise protected by the attorney-client privilege. DR 4-101(C) provides that "a lawyer may reveal confidences or secrets necessary to establish and collect his fee or defend himself or his employees from an accusation of wrongful conduct." When a serious charge against an attorney arises out of his or her representation of a client, courts have allowed attorneys to disclose confidential information obtained from the client. In Meyerhofer v. Empire Fire and Marine Insurance Co., 497 F.2d 1190 (2d Cir.), cert. denied, 419 U.S. 998, 95 S. Ct. 314, 42 L. Ed. 2d 272 (1974), for example, purchasers of a stock offering brought a federal securities fraud action against various defendants, including an associate of the law firm which had represented the issuer. The lawyer prepared and presented an affidavit to the plaintiffs which detailed his conduct during the offering and which contained confidential information. The Meyerhofer court stated that the attorney's action in this respect was justified since the charge of a lawyer's knowing participation in the filing of a false and misleading registration statement was a serious one. In the case before us, the Pechner, Dorfman attorneys' charges were scarcely less serious. Therefore, on the strength of DR 4-101(C) and Meyerhofer, Mr. Rosen plainly could have argued to Judge Donnelly that the testimony otherwise precluded by the Company's invocation of the privilege should nonetheless have been admitted.21D

In short, we conclude that Mr. Rosen and the Spector, Cohen firm should have withdrawn from their representation so Mr. Rosen (and other lawyers in the firm) could have become witnesses on behalf of their client concerning the events at the Locust Club meeting. They could then have intervened in the proceeding. While they would have enjoyed no due process right to offer evidence barred by the attorney-client privilege, they clearly could have argued that the privilege was inapplicable under the circumstances of this case. Having failed to avail themselves of these procedures, Mr. Rosen and his firm have no right now to a collateral hearing at variance with the orderly and sound procedures of administrative agency adjudication.

Affirmed.